From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:43:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030831154301.GD30196@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1062343891.10323.12.camel@dhcp23.swansea.linux.org.uk>
On Sun, 31 August 2003 16:31:32 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Sul, 2003-08-31 at 15:45, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 02:15:12PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > On Sul, 2003-08-31 at 03:56, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > > > I'm pretty convinced we can't solve the problem at our end. Maybe we can
> > >
> > > For bursts of traffic you can't.
> >
> > what's the difference of rejecting packets in software, or because the
> > link can't handle them? Assume the guaranteed bandwidth is much lower
>
> It doesn't work when you dont control incoming. As a simple extreme
> example if I pingflood you from a fast site then no amount of shaping
> your end of the link will help, it has to be shaped at the ISP end.
If someone wants to DOS you, he can. Full stop.
iirc, Larry was worried about well behaved traffic still doing bad
things to his connection.
Jörn
--
Fancy algorithms are slow when n is small, and n is usually small.
Fancy algorithms have big constants. Until you know that n is
frequently going to be big, don't get fancy.
-- Rob Pike
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Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2003-08-30 22:58 ` bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news) Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-30 23:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 1:05 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-31 1:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 2:18 ` Jeff Sipek
2003-08-31 2:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 2:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 13:15 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 14:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 15:43 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2003-08-31 15:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 17:06 ` Florian Weimer
2003-08-31 21:21 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-02 7:06 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-05 8:10 ` Florian Weimer
2003-09-05 15:35 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-05 15:50 ` Florian Weimer
2003-09-05 16:10 ` P
2003-09-05 16:43 ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-07 11:55 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-07 18:41 ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-08 8:57 ` [COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC] " Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-02 21:52 ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-05 8:16 ` Florian Weimer
2003-08-31 15:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 16:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 16:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 16:48 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 17:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 22:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 22:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 23:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 0:12 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 0:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01 0:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 11:43 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-01 16:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 16:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 16:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-01 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 23:39 ` Roman Zippel
2003-09-01 0:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 0:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 22:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 0:18 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01 0:25 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 0:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 0:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01 1:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 1:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-02 7:11 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-02 7:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 16:23 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 16:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 15:38 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-02 6:55 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 13:47 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-31 14:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-02 6:53 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 6:30 ` Jörn Engel
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[not found] ` <rdje.1sH.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-02 17:49 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-30 1:29 Larry McVoy
2003-08-30 15:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-30 16:10 ` Jörn Engel
2003-08-31 10:13 ` Toon van der Pas
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