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From: Ricky Beam <jfbeam@bluetronic.net>
To: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:52:29 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0309021744290.13584-100000@sweetums.bluetronic.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87llt9bvtc.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Florian Weimer wrote:
>The ISP can do several things to prioritize production traffic or drop
>malicious traffic.  However, this isn't trivial and requires careful
>planning, and it's unlikely that anyone who is able to would want to
>do this for a T1 customer (typically, it requires "unusual"
>configuration of vital production routers with the fat pipes).

In the cisco world, all it takes is:
	interface <foo>
	  fair-queue

That's it.  That's all it takes on the ISPs part to provide a minimal
amount of QoS.  Cisco's documentation clearly lists how IOS handles
the queuing.  It's not full policy based traffic shaping with RSVP
and all that crap, but it's enough for a many situations.

Larry's situation is highly complicated by "the internet".  I've never
known anyone to be happy with VoIP across the internet.  It's hard
enough to make it work properly within a single ISP's network _with_
their assistance.  Across the wastelands, forget about it. (Why do you
think GRIC built their own global network for moving VoIP traffic?)

--Ricky



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-02 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <q2SH.AA.3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <qfwI.15D.27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <qgCn.2y4.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-30 22:58     ` bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news) Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-30 23:07       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31  1:05         ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-31  1:39           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31  2:18             ` Jeff Sipek
2003-08-31  2:42               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31  2:56             ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 13:15               ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 14:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 15:31                   ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 15:43                     ` Jörn Engel
2003-08-31 15:50                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 17:06                         ` Florian Weimer
2003-08-31 21:21                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-02  7:06                           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-05  8:10                             ` Florian Weimer
2003-09-05 15:35                               ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-05 15:50                                 ` Florian Weimer
2003-09-05 16:10                                 ` P
2003-09-05 16:43                                 ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-07 11:55                                   ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-07 18:41                                     ` Ricky Beam
2003-09-08  8:57                                       ` [COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC] " Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-09-02 21:52                           ` Ricky Beam [this message]
2003-09-05  8:16                             ` Florian Weimer
2003-08-31 15:44                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 16:22                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 16:33                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 16:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 17:06                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 21:18                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 22:49                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 22:52                                   ` Alan Cox
2003-08-31 22:58                                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:02                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 23:07                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:22                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  0:12                                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01  0:19                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01  0:33                                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 11:43                                           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-01 16:13                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01 16:24                                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01 16:28                                               ` Alan Cox
2003-09-01 16:38                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 23:39                                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-09-01  0:09                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01  0:20                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 22:56                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 23:13                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  0:18                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01  0:25                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-01  0:28                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  0:50                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-01  1:10                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-01  1:33                                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-02  7:11                                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-02  7:01                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 16:23                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-31 16:36                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-08-31 15:38                   ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-02  6:55               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31 13:47             ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-31 14:51               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-02  6:53           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-08-31  6:30       ` Jörn Engel
     [not found] <qn1b.2Pr.29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <qoTh.5mt.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <rdje.1sH.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-02 17:49     ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-30  1:29 Larry McVoy
2003-08-30 15:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-30 16:10   ` Jörn Engel
2003-08-31 10:13   ` Toon van der Pas

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