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From: Duncan Sands <baldrick@free.fr>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>, Vince <fuzzy77@free.fr>,
	"Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>, <mfedyk@matchmail.com>,
	<zwane@holomorphy.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB development list <linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [OOPS,  usbcore, releaseintf] 2.6.0-test10-mm1
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:55:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200312082255.43481.baldrick@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0312081538510.2034-100000@ida.rowland.org>

> > You can't keep the ps->devsem lock and use ps->dev->serialize, because it
> > leads to deadlock.
>
> How so?  Remember that I am almost totally unfamiliar with the details of
> the usbfs code.  Are you saying there are places where the driver holds
> one lock and needs to acquire the other and vice versa?

Yes.  ps->devsem is used to protect against disconnection: all top level
routines take it (as a read lock), and in driver_disconnect it is taken as a
write lock.  Top level routines call lower level routines which sometimes
need to take dev->serialize (and do already in several places).

Thus: ps->devsem taken, then dev->serialize.

However, dev->serialize is taken by the USB core before calling
driver_disconnect.

Thus: dev->serialize taken, then ps->devsem.

> >  Actually, simply replacing ps->devsem with ps->dev->serialize
> > cannot lead to any new deadlocks, it makes deadlocks that could
> > occasionally happen always happen (such deadlocks exist right now in
> > usbfs).  Some of the current deadlocks can be eliminated without giving
> > up ps->devsem, but not all. So the question is: must ps->dev->serialize
> > be used?
>
> It must be held when you call usb_reset_configuration().  It must _not_ be
> held when you call usb_set_configuration().  For usb_reset_device() right
> now you must not hold it, although that may change in the future.  For
> usb_unbind_interface() you must not hold it.  There's a note that
> usb_driver_claim_interface() grabs the BKL for some reason having to do
> with usbfs -- no doubt when usbfs is fixed that won't be needed and the
> caller will be required to hold dev->serialize instead.

Right.  And why should (for example) dev->serialize not be held when it
calls usb_set_configuration? - because usb_set_configuration takes
dev->serialize.  This is one of the places I mentioned above where
deadlock can occur right now.

> If you call usb_ifnum_to_if() you ought to hold the serialize lock;
> otherwise the configuration might change out from under you.  But it's not
> necessary.  Likewise for usb_epnum_to_ep_desc if you're looking up an
> endpoint that isn't part of an interface you have bound.

Why isn't it necessary?  As far as I can see it is vital.

> > > Are they any reasons for not keeping ps->devsem?  Since usbfs generally
> > > acts as a driver and drivers generally don't have to concern themselves
> > > with usbdev->serialize (the core handles it for them), shouldn't usbfs
> > > also be able to ignore ps->dev->serialize?
> >
> > No, because it needs to do operations on interfaces it hasn't claimed
> > (such as looking them up and claiming them).  This is why it needs to
> > protect itself, at least momentarily, against configurations shifting
> > under it.  This can be done by using the BKL more.  However it can be
> > done more simply using ps->dev->serialize (in fact it is simpler than
> > what is there now).
>
> That agrees with my assessment.  It ought to be possible to remove these
> references to the BKL in favor of ps->dev->serialize.

Yes, and that is what my patch does.  And due to the above problem with
deadlock it replaces ps->devsem with ps->dev->serialize everywhere.

> > By the way, if it is somehow fatal to do usb_put_dev after disconnect,
> > what is the point of referencing counting at all?  You might as well
> > free up the usb_device structure immediately after disconnect, since
> > there is sure to be a reference before disconnect, and (apparently)
> > there had better not be a reference after disconnect...
>
> There's some sort of misunderstanding here.  It's not fatal to do
> usb_put_dev() after disconnect, provided you called usb_get_dev() earlier.
> I'm not sure what the cause was of the oops you were getting, but it
> wasn't that.

It was AFAICS, though of course it shouldn't be.

Ciao,

Duncan.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-08 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-26 16:51 [kernel panic @ reboot] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 Vince
2003-11-26 17:16 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-26 17:34   ` Vince
2003-11-26 17:35     ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-26 17:40     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-26 17:54       ` Vince
2003-11-26 18:18         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-26 23:37           ` Mike Fedyk
2003-11-26 23:41             ` Vince
2003-12-03  0:03               ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-03  0:31                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-03  0:27                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-03 13:28                     ` Vince
2003-12-03 19:12                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-12-04  1:01                         ` Vince
2003-12-04  1:34                           ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04  4:11                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-04 10:59                               ` [OOPS, usbcore, releaseintf] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 Vince
2003-12-04 11:14                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-04 16:57                                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-12-05  7:38                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-05 10:11                                       ` Vince
2003-12-05 10:18                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-05 10:34                                           ` Vince
2003-12-07  0:25                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-07 21:09                                           ` Vince
2003-12-07 21:24                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-07 22:24                                               ` Vince
2003-12-07 22:54                                               ` Vince
2003-12-08 10:10                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 16:03                                                   ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2003-12-08 16:15                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 16:31                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-08 17:20                                                         ` David Brownell
2003-12-08 17:59                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 18:35                                                           ` Alan Stern
2003-12-08 19:53                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-08 21:32                                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-12-08 21:55                                                                 ` Duncan Sands [this message]
2003-12-08 23:09                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 10:23                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 15:55                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 20:36                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 10:36                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 16:08                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 20:24                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 10:49                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 15:47                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 21:12                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 21:58                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2003-12-09 22:07                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-09 22:25                                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-12-09 22:33                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10  3:12                                                                                   ` David Brownell
2003-12-10  3:43                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2003-12-10 13:12                                                                                   ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 15:13                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2003-12-10 15:30                                                                                   ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 16:02                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 20:53                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2003-12-11  8:49                                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11  9:23                                                                                           ` Greg KH
2003-12-11  9:29                                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 17:25                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2003-12-10 20:46                                                                                       ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 21:08                                                                                         ` Greg KH
2003-12-11  2:10                                                                                           ` Vince
2003-12-11  6:46                                                                                             ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 22:08                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11  6:47                                                                                           ` Greg KH
2003-12-10  4:31                                                                               ` Vince
2003-12-10  1:49                                                                       ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 13:22                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 16:20                                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-10 16:49                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 16:58                                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-11  9:45                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11 10:19                                                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-11 21:43                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11 22:57                                                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-11 23:30                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12  0:02                                                                                     ` David Brownell
2003-12-10 17:34                                                                           ` David Brownell
2003-12-10 17:54                                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 18:19                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11  9:36                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-11 15:19                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11 21:23                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 15:46                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-11 21:29                                                                                     ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 16:18                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 18:37                                                                                         ` David Brownell
2003-12-12 19:17                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 19:45                                                                                             ` David Brownell
2003-12-12 20:48                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 21:01                                                                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-12 21:27                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2003-12-12 23:36                                                                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-13  1:10                                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2003-12-13 11:52                                                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-12 18:50                                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2003-12-10 19:43                                                                               ` David Brownell
2003-12-11  9:21                                                                                 ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-10 17:21                                                                       ` David Brownell
2003-12-11  9:42                                                                         ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12  2:21                                                           ` David Brownell
2003-12-12  8:47                                                             ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 15:35                                                             ` bill davidsen
2003-12-05  0:08                               ` [kernel panic @ reboot] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-27  0:59           ` [kernel panic @ reboot in usbcore] 2.6.0-test10-mm1 (culprit: modem_run) Vince
2003-11-27  3:13             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-11-27  8:14               ` Vince
2003-11-27  8:11             ` Duncan Sands

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