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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Richard Troth <rtroth@bmc.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: removable media revalidation - udev vs. devfs or static /dev
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:38:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200401072038.i07KcDwL017059@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:25:44 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.53.0401071418300.7097@rmt-desk.bmc.com>

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:25:44 CST, Richard Troth said:

> Consider the long-range ramifications
> if a device can also be a directory,  just "magically".
> I'm not going to automatically diss the idea  (other than my
> natural reaction above)  but please consider beyond the immediate hack.

If it's so ugly, why do Solaris and Irix not have a problem in making a
device graph that looks somewhat like that as well?  The idea is *not*
so crazy as to discard out-of-hand.  Perhaps what you need is:

/dev/hda/disk  whole-disk access
/dev/hda/0     partition 0
/dev/hda/1     partition 1
... etc

> It reminds me of AIX from the days when it ran on PCs.
> They had this neat trick of  "hidden directories"  (for a different
> purpose).   It looked like an executable,  but really was a
> directory containing multiple executables for various platforms.
> (This version of AIX also ran on the mainframe, AIX/386 and AIX/370.)
> There were/are better ways of solving the problem they were addressing.

You think that was ugly, you should have seen it around the F17 level when
there were still some bugs in there (you haven't lived till you see the ooglyness
of an 'rsh' between TCF cluster members of different flavors - it propagated
the environment variable that controlled that stuff.. :)

Incidentally, I'm told that HP/UX has a similar concept, at least in some
releases...


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-08  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-01 20:33 removable media revalidation - udev vs. devfs or static /dev Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03  5:58 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03  8:51   ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03 12:37     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03 12:42       ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-03 16:05         ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03 17:54           ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07  9:43             ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07  9:50               ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07  9:56                 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07  9:59                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 10:25                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 10:31                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 10:47                         ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 10:54                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 17:56                       ` Greg KH
2004-01-30 12:59                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 11:00                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 11:05                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 11:14                     ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 11:16                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-03 20:51     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 18:38   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 18:57     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 19:23       ` Mika Penttilä
2004-01-07 19:24         ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 19:31           ` Mika Penttilä
2004-01-08  1:38           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 19:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 19:50         ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 20:25           ` Richard Troth
2004-01-07 20:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2004-01-07 23:34             ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  0:32           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08  0:41             ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  1:07               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08  1:15                 ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  1:50                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08 18:34                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-08  1:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08 14:06           ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-01-08  0:42         ` viro
2004-01-08  1:16           ` Greg KH
2004-01-09  3:36       ` Joel Becker
2004-01-09  9:49         ` Gerd Knorr
2004-01-12 17:16           ` Joel Becker
2004-01-12 23:08             ` J.A. Magallon
2004-01-07 20:52     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-08  2:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  4:16         ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-08  4:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  7:45         ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-08  2:13     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  2:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  2:49         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  2:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  3:35             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  3:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  8:00                 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-01-09  0:28                 ` Robert Love
2004-01-09  0:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-09  1:16                   ` Matt Mackall
2004-01-08 10:32             `  Éric Brunet
2004-01-08  5:19 Iqbal
2004-01-12  9:09 Ling, Xiaofeng
2004-01-12 13:02 Nicolas Mailhot

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