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From: Sergiy Lozovsky <serge_lozovsky@yahoo.com>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>,
	Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: kernel stack challenge
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:05:21 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040406220521.56509.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40731A02.5030502@techsource.com>


--- Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Horst von Brand wrote:
> 
> > OK, so you need the policy to be interpreted
> in-kernel (dunno why a
> > largeish high-level general purpose language is
> needed for that, when a
> > tiny interpreter for a specialized language will
> do very well, and has been
> > shown to work fine), and written in a "high level
> language" so that your
> > garden variety sysadmin _can_ write her own
> policy, but it really doesn't
> > matter because she'll never have to do so...
> > 
> > Completely lost me.
> 
> I was getting hung up on that one too, but I didn't
> know how to say it. 
>   You did a nice job.  :)

Can you guys be more specific? I don't see any
technical objections. The only one is that performance
would suffer because of use of higher level language
than C or Assembler.

There is a reason people use languages like PERL, Java
and so on. I would prefer to spend less time writing
actual code - this is what these high level languages
for. If performance would be most important - people
would do everything in Assembler, but they don't. I'd
better write a small Assembler subroutine which will
handle stack problems for me and benefit from using
the high level language after that.

There were times when userland projects were written
in Assembler. Now people are using other languages,
too. May be it's time to try something new in the
kernel, too :-) Or we will not consider that because
nobody did that before? Someone should be the first
:-)

Serge.


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-06 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-04  6:48 kernel stack challenge Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-05  9:39 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-05 17:05   ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-05 18:06     ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-05 17:59       ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-05 19:27         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-05 21:14           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-05 20:09         ` John Stoffel
2004-04-05 20:54           ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-05 21:08             ` Chris Wright
2004-04-05 21:40               ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-05 21:53                 ` Chris Wright
2004-04-05 22:22                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-05 23:49                   ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 13:25                     ` Jesse Pollard
     [not found]                     ` <20040406132750$3d4e@grapevine.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found]                       ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20040406132750$3d4e@grapevine.lcs.mit.edu>
2004-04-06 16:40                         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-04-06 19:10                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-06 20:53                             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-04-06 21:24                               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-07 14:36                           ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-05 21:28             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-05 21:21               ` Stephen Smoogen
2004-04-05 22:25                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-05 21:30               ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-05 21:45                 ` Kevin Fox
2004-04-05 21:59                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-04-05 22:52                   ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06  0:46                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-04-06  0:55                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-04-06  3:02                       ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06  3:04                         ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-04-05 22:20                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-05 23:27                   ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 20:16                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-06 20:58                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-06 22:05                     ` Sergiy Lozovsky [this message]
2004-04-06 22:56                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-06 23:17                         ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-08 13:11                           ` Martin Waitz
2004-04-08 22:33                             ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-07  2:44                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-07 17:54                         ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-08  2:43                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-08  4:07                             ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-08  4:29                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-08 22:51                                 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-08 15:44                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-08 22:22                                 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-09 15:27                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-05 21:12         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-06 13:32     ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-06 17:44       ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-07  1:02         ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-07  1:34           ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-07  8:57             ` David Weinehall
2004-04-07 13:38               ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-07 17:12                 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-07 17:16               ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-07  2:30           ` viro
2004-04-06 18:33       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-06 18:51         ` Sergiy Lozovsky
     [not found] <1H9LV-5Jb-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-04-04 11:27 ` Andi Kleen
2004-04-04 18:24   ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-04 18:38     ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
     [not found] <200404052043.i35KhDvS020176@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
2004-04-05 21:06 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
     [not found] <200404052026.i35KQh5g004342@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>
2004-04-05 21:21 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 20:01   ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] <200404061606.i36G6YLE003375@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>
2004-04-06 18:04 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 18:28   ` John Stoffel
2004-04-06 18:48     ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 18:57   ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-06 21:15     ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 22:44       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-06 22:57         ` viro
2004-04-06 23:32           ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 23:45             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-04-07  2:25       ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] <200404061618.i36GIHgW003419@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>
2004-04-06 18:16 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 20:01   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-06 21:38     ` Sergiy Lozovsky
2004-04-06 22:46       ` Timothy Miller
     [not found] <24DA9B48-8827-11D8-87A5-000A9585C204@able.es>
2004-04-07  0:27 ` Sergiy Lozovsky
     [not found] <58907794@toto.iv>
2004-04-07  4:29 ` Peter Chubb
     [not found] <20040409182517.330.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com>
2004-04-10  4:17 ` Horst von Brand

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