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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:39:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050429203959.GC21897@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050429203027.GK17379@opteron.random>

On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:30:27PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 11:01:57PM -0700, Matt Mackall wrote:
> > change nodes so you've got to potentially traverse all the commits to
> > reconstruct a file's history. That's gonna be O(top-level changes)
> > seeks. This introduces a number of problems:
> > 
> > - no way to easily find previous revisions of a file
> >   (being able to see when a particular change was introduced is a
> >   pretty critical feature)
> > - no way to do bandwidth-efficient delta transfer
> > - no way to do efficient delta storage
> > - no way to do merges based on the file's history[1]
> 
> And IMHO also no-way to implement a git-on-the-fly efficient network
> protocol if tons of clients connects at the same time, it would be
> dosable etc... At the very least such a system would require an huge
> amount of ram. So I see the only efficient way to design a network
> protocol for git not to use git, but to import the data into mercurial
> and to implement the network protocol on top of mercurial.
> 
> The one downside is that git is sort of rock solid in the way it stores
> data on disk, it makes rsync usage trivial too, the git fsck is reliable
> and you can just sign the hash of the root of the tree and you sign
> everything including file contents. And of course the checkin is
> absolutely trivial and fast too.

Mercurial is ammenable to rsync provided you devote a read-only
repository to it on the client side. In other words, you rsync from
kernel.org/mercurial/linus to local/linus and then you merge from
local/linus to your own branch. Mercurial's hashing hierarchy is
similar to git's (and Monotone's), so you can sign a single hash of
the tree as well.

> With a more efficient diff-based storage like mercurial we'd be losing
> those fsck properties etc.. but those reliability properties don't worth
> the network and disk space they take IMHO, and the checkin time
> shouldn't be substantially different (still running in O(1) when
> appending at the head). And we could always store the hash of the
> changeset, to give it some basic self-checking.

I think I can implement a decent repository check similar to git, it's
just not been a priority.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-29 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-26  0:41 Mercurial 0.3 vs git benchmarks Matt Mackall
2005-04-26  1:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-26  2:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26  2:30   ` Mike Taht
2005-04-26  3:04     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26  4:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 11:13         ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 15:09           ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-26 15:38             ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 16:23               ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-26 18:18                 ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 20:56                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 21:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 22:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-26 22:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 23:43                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 15:01                         ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 15:13                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 18:54                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 19:01                               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 19:57                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-27 20:06                                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 20:35                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 20:39                                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 20:47                                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 20:55                                 ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 21:04                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 21:06                                     ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 21:32                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-27 19:55                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-27  6:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-27 21:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-27 21:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 16:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 17:39             ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 19:52               ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 18:15         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-26 20:30           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-26 16:11       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-26  4:01   ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-26  4:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26  4:09   ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-26  4:22     ` Andreas Gal
2005-04-26  4:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29  6:01   ` Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark Matt Mackall
2005-04-29  6:40     ` Sean
2005-04-29  7:40       ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29  8:40         ` Sean
2005-04-29 14:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 15:18           ` Morten Welinder
2005-04-29 16:52             ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-02 16:10               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-02 19:02                 ` Sean
2005-05-02 22:02                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 22:30                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-02 22:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  0:00                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03  2:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  3:29                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03  4:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  4:24                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  4:27                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03  8:45                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-29 15:44           ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 15:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 17:34               ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 17:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 18:08                   ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 18:33                     ` Sean
2005-04-29 18:54                       ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 19:13                         ` Sean
2005-05-02 16:15                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-29 16:37           ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 17:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 19:12               ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 19:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 20:23                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 20:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 21:20                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 16:46           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-29 20:19       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-29 22:30         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-29 22:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-29 20:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-29 20:39       ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2005-04-30  2:52         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-30 15:20           ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-30 16:37             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-02 15:49           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-02 16:14             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-03 17:40               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-04  2:10                 ` Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark (/usr/bin/env again) David A. Wheeler
2005-05-02 16:17             ` Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-02 16:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 17:18               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-02 17:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 20:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-05-02 17:20               ` Ryan Anderson
2005-05-02 17:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 21:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-03 17:43               ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-05-03  1:16         ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-03  1:29           ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03 16:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-03 17:14               ` Rene Scharfe
2005-05-04 17:51                 ` Bill Davidsen

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