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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Tom Lord <lord@emf.net>
Cc: mpm@selenic.com, seanlkml@sympatico.ca,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0504291051460.18901@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200504291734.KAA25263@emf.net>



On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Tom Lord wrote:
>
> 	1) the ancestry of their modified tree
> 
> 	2) the complete contents of their modified tree
> 
> 	3) input data for a patching program (let's call it "PATCH")
> 	   which, at the very least, satisfies the equation:
> 
> 		MOD_TREE = PATCH (this_diff, ORIG_TREE)
> 
> On the other hand, signing documents which represent a {(1),(3)} pair
> with robust accuracy is, in most cases, much much less expensive than
> signing {(1),(2)} pairs with robust accuracy. 

Not so.

It may be less expensive in your world, but that's the whole point of git: 
it's _not_ less expensive in the git world. 

In the git world, 1 and 2 aren't even separate things. They go together. 
And you just sign it. End of story. It's so cheap to sign that it's not 
even funny.

More importantly, signing 3 is meaningless. 3 only makes sense with a 
known starting point. You should never sign a patch without also saying 
what you're patching. 

And once you do that, 1+2 and 1+3 are _exactly_ the same thing.

And since git always works on the 1+2 level, it would be inexcusably
stupid to sign anything but that. 3 doesn't even exist per se, although 
it's obviously fully defined by 1+2.

So I don't see your point. You complain about git signing, but you 
complain on grounds that do not _exist_ in git, and then your alternative 
(1+3) which is senseless in a git world doesn't actually end up being 
anything really different - just more expensive.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-29 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-26  0:41 Mercurial 0.3 vs git benchmarks Matt Mackall
2005-04-26  1:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-26  2:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26  2:30   ` Mike Taht
2005-04-26  3:04     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26  4:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 11:13         ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 15:09           ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-26 15:38             ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 16:23               ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-26 18:18                 ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 20:56                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 21:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 22:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-26 22:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 23:43                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 15:01                         ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 15:13                           ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 18:54                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 19:01                               ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 19:57                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-27 20:06                                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 20:35                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 20:39                                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2005-04-27 20:47                                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 20:55                                 ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 21:04                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-27 21:06                                     ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-27 21:32                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-27 19:55                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-27  6:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-27 21:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-27 21:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 16:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26 17:39             ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 19:52               ` Chris Mason
2005-04-26 18:15         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-26 20:30           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-26 16:11       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-26  4:01   ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-26  4:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-26  4:09   ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-26  4:22     ` Andreas Gal
2005-04-26  4:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29  6:01   ` Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark Matt Mackall
2005-04-29  6:40     ` Sean
2005-04-29  7:40       ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29  8:40         ` Sean
2005-04-29 14:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 15:18           ` Morten Welinder
2005-04-29 16:52             ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-02 16:10               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-02 19:02                 ` Sean
2005-05-02 22:02                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 22:30                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-02 22:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  0:00                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03  2:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  3:29                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03  4:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  4:24                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-03  4:27                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03  8:45                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-29 15:44           ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 15:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 17:34               ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 17:56                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2005-04-29 18:08                   ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 18:33                     ` Sean
2005-04-29 18:54                       ` Tom Lord
2005-04-29 19:13                         ` Sean
2005-05-02 16:15                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-29 16:37           ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 17:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 19:12               ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 19:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 20:23                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 20:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-29 21:20                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-29 16:46           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-29 20:19       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-29 22:30         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-29 22:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-29 20:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-29 20:39       ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-30  2:52         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-30 15:20           ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-30 16:37             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-02 15:49           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-02 16:14             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-03 17:40               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-04  2:10                 ` Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark (/usr/bin/env again) David A. Wheeler
2005-05-02 16:17             ` Mercurial 0.4b vs git patchbomb benchmark Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-02 16:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 17:18               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-02 17:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 20:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-05-02 17:20               ` Ryan Anderson
2005-05-02 17:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-02 21:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-03 17:43               ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-05-03  1:16         ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-03  1:29           ` Matt Mackall
2005-05-03 16:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-03 17:14               ` Rene Scharfe
2005-05-04 17:51                 ` Bill Davidsen

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