From: "D. Hazelton" <dhazelton@enter.net>
To: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Yaroslav Rastrigin <yarick@it-territory.ru>,
andersen@codepoet.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why the DOS has many ntfs read and write driver,but the linux can't for a long time
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:33:56 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200601100333.57301.dhazelton@enter.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200601100933.48022.vda@ilport.com.ua>
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 02:33, Denis Vlasenko wrote:
<snip>
> Andrew, I think this is a rare (on lkml at least) case when guy
> does not want to participate in development in a Linux way
> but wants to just pay for development instead:
> "I want this <hardware> to work good under Linux. I want to pay
> up to <sum> to whoever will agree to do that. Anybody?"
>
> Do not dismiss him lightly. There are LOTS of people which aren't
> hackish at all. An order of magniture more than 'us' computer geeks.
> M$ is successful because it uses this resource.
> We may want to think how can we use it too.
>
> No, I don't think you, or someone else on this list can efficiently
> use it, but distros, being more commercially oriented, maybe can.
This is true. The types of bounties I have seen in OS development do not
usually reach much beyond $500. If distro's were to get behind this and start
offering bounties of large sums for _working_ code for hardware there might
be a response. As you've said, M$ is successful because it can throw money at
the problems. Sadly, another reason why M$ is successful are their NDA's and
the terms of any number of the contracts they offer hardware vendors and the
like. (And yet another reason is the fact that they got their foot in the doo
at just the right time. However, IMHO (and I have seen this recently), Now is
the time for Linux to start really stepping up to bat. I have had any number
of freinds and relatives ask me if there is an alternative to Windows and how
it takes so much work to keep running (I teach them basic windows maintenance
so I don't have to spend weekends going from house to house fixing problems)
- sadly I've had to tell them they are stuck with Windows for various
reasons. (Nothing to do with the Kernel, but the state of the available
software))
But if the larger distro vendors would start offering bounties, all the
various small kernel problems that would stymie them would probably
disappear. Then the only problem is the market penetration and the
availability of software many people have come to depend on. (I have two
relatives who rely on the newest Yahoo IM clients voice chat and web-cam
abilities. Yahoo has not, and apparently will not, update their "Official"
client for Linux to have these capabilities and none of the alternative
clients have them.) When (I'm quite hopeful) Linux begins to get more market
penetration these problems of software should start to disappear.
_That_ is a goal Linux is (hopefully) aiming towards. This one persons offer
of money isn't enough - but more than likely larger offered sums will lure
more of the "Less Hackish" developers to start doing work for Linux. The
other problem is one of the legality of binary-only modules. I, personally,
have seen _very_ few with any "binary only" code that directly accesses
kernel facilities - those interfaces are always released openly. (I cannot
verify this for the two binary only modules I have had to deal with recently
- if just because I don't actually have the time to disassemble the object
files they ship to check for kernel function use. (Which would mean inclusion
of portions of the Kernel Headers. Which, I'm afraid, to me would signify
them being derivative works and therefore in violation of the GPL.)
I've wasted enough bandwidth here. Note that all flames will be read and
laughed at :)
D. Hazelton
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-10 8:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-09 7:54 Why the DOS has many ntfs read and write driver,but the linux can't for a long time Boxer Gnome
2006-01-09 8:06 ` Erik Andersen
2006-01-09 8:21 ` Boxer Gnome
2006-01-09 8:53 ` Jim Crilly
2006-01-09 9:07 ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-09 10:22 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-09 11:03 ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-09 12:45 ` CaT
2006-01-09 13:34 ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-10 13:29 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-10 16:29 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-11 2:29 ` David Nicol
2006-01-11 2:56 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-12 18:53 ` David Nicol
2006-01-12 21:05 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 13:36 ` Kasper Sandberg
2006-01-09 13:56 ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-09 16:07 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-09 16:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:34 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-09 16:34 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-09 19:24 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-09 19:33 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 13:54 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 14:51 ` [OT?] " Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-09 15:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 15:36 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-14 9:55 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-09 15:17 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-01-09 14:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-09 15:22 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-09 19:07 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-09 22:49 ` Dave Airlie
2006-01-10 12:00 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-09 13:56 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10 7:13 ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-10 7:33 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-10 8:33 ` D. Hazelton [this message]
2006-01-10 10:49 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-10 13:26 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-11 4:57 ` D. Hazelton
2006-01-10 9:32 ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-10 9:20 ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2006-01-10 10:50 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-09 16:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2006-01-09 14:18 ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-09 14:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-01-09 15:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-01-09 16:04 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:14 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-01-09 16:19 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:29 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-09 16:41 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-01-09 16:56 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 17:14 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-09 17:28 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 19:35 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-01-09 17:14 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-09 17:31 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-09 16:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-01-09 17:33 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 18:11 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-09 17:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-01-09 16:59 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-10 1:44 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-10 4:30 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10 10:13 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-01-10 10:34 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-10 23:48 Lukas Hejtmanek
2006-01-10 23:57 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-11 0:02 ` Lukas Hejtmanek
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