From: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: nigelenki@comcast.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: soft update vs journaling?
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:50:39 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060122205039.e8842bae.diegocg@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060122093144.GA7127@thunk.org>
El Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:31:44 -0500,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> escribió:
> One major downside with Soft Updates that you haven't mentioned in
> your note, is that the amount of complexity it adds to the filesystem
> is tremendous; the filesystem has to keep track of a very complex
> state machinery, with knowledge of about the ordering constraints of
> each change to the filesystem and how to "back out" parts of the
> change when that becomes necessary.
And FreeBSD is implementing journaling for UFS and getting rid of
softupdates [1]. While this not proves that softupdates is "a bad idea",
i think this proves why the added sofupdates complexity doesn't seem
to pay off in the real world.
[1]: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2004-December/009261.html
"4. Journaled filesystem. While we can debate the merits of speed and
data integrety of journalling vs. softupdates, the simple fact remains
that softupdates still requires a fsck run on recovery, and the
multi-terabyte filesystems that are possible these days make fsck a very
long and unpleasant experience, even with bg-fsck. There was work at
some point at RPI to add journaling to UFS, but there hasn't been much
status on that in a long time. There have also been proposals and
works-in-progress to port JFS, ReiserFS, and XFS. Some of these efforts
are still alive, but they need to be seen through to completion"
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-22 19:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-22 6:42 soft update vs journaling? John Richard Moser
2006-01-22 8:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-22 18:40 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-22 19:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-22 19:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-22 19:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-24 2:33 ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-22 9:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-01-22 18:54 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-22 21:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-01-22 22:44 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-23 7:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-01-23 13:31 ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-23 13:33 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-23 13:52 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-01-23 16:48 ` Linux VFS architecture questions Kyle Moffett
2006-01-23 17:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-01-23 17:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-23 17:54 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-23 20:48 ` soft update vs journaling? Folkert van Heusden
2006-01-23 1:02 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-22 19:50 ` Diego Calleja [this message]
2006-01-22 20:39 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-22 20:50 ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-23 1:00 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-23 1:09 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-23 2:09 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-22 19:26 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-23 0:06 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-23 5:32 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-23 18:52 ` John Richard Moser
2006-01-23 19:32 ` Matthias Andree
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