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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Dave Neuer <mr.fred.smoothie@pobox.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>,
	Ricardo Galli <gallir@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GPL only modules
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:02:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061218170222.GB18255@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <161717d50612180738y4feec39dp5d1d090409a9e074@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 10:38:38AM -0500, Dave Neuer wrote:
> I think this is the key, both with libraries and w/ your book example
> below; the concept of independant "meaning." If your code doesn't do
> whatever it is supposed to do _unless_ it is linked with _my_ code,
> then it seems fairly clear that your code is derivative of mine, just
> as your sequel to my novel (or your pages added onto my book) don't
> "mean" anything if someone hasn't read mine.

That's a wonderful theory, but I don't believe it's recognized by the
courts.  I'm also pretty sure you don't want to go there.  Consider
folks who create add-ons to Tivo player, or extensions to MacOS.  They
don't _do_ anything unless they are used with the Tivo player.  Or a
game meant for a Playstation 3; it won't _do_ anything unless it's
calls the BIOS and system functions provided by the PS3.  Does that
automatically make them derived works?

What about a GPL'ed program which interfaces with the iTunes server?
It won't _do_ anything unless it can connect across the network and
talks to iTunes code.  Does that make it a derived work?

If the answer is no --- or should be no --- then maybe you should be
more careful before making such statements.

For myself, I believe we actually get the largest amount of
programming freedom if we use a very tightly defined definition of
derived code, and not try to create new expansive definitions and try
to ram them through the court system or through legislatures.  In the
end, we may end up regretting it.

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-18 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-16 18:27 GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Ricardo Galli
2006-12-16 21:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17  0:22   ` Ricardo Galli
2006-12-17  4:10     ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-17 13:54   ` GPL only modules Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-17 15:56     ` Ricardo Galli
2006-12-17 16:25     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-12-17 21:32       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-17 21:46         ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-18 15:47           ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 17:46             ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-18 21:01               ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 17:16           ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  6:35             ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-19 16:39               ` David Lang
2006-12-18 19:41       ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 22:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-19  3:42         ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-20  1:02           ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-20 23:28             ` Scott Preece
2006-12-17 17:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17 22:45       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-18  6:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-12-18 23:16           ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-18 15:38       ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 17:02         ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2006-12-18 17:23           ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 19:27       ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 19:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 20:37           ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 20:50             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 21:23               ` David Schwartz
2006-12-18 22:35                 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-19  1:29                   ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19 16:55                     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-20  0:09                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-20  0:06                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 22:06               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-18 23:28               ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-19  1:35                 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  2:38                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-19 12:42                     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-20  0:20                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 23:52               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-18 23:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:43                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-19  1:39                 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  4:20               ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-12-20 19:14                 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-20 23:08                   ` Scott Preece
2006-12-20 23:26                     ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  7:39               ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2006-12-19  7:40               ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2006-12-19  8:00           ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-19 13:09             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-19 17:27               ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-20  1:06               ` Alexandre Oliva
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-14  0:32 GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Greg KH
2006-12-14  0:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2006-12-14  0:55 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14  4:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 15:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 17:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 17:08         ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 17:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 17:52             ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 18:09               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 10:28                 ` GPL only modules Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-14 18:15               ` GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Eric Sandeen
2006-12-14 18:39                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 19:42                   ` Scott Preece
2006-12-14 19:34                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-15  5:28                       ` GPL only modules Alexandre Oliva

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