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From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Ricardo Galli <gallir@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GPL only modules
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:25:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86C272DA-23BA-4901-994D-6CABCC87A2DE@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <orwt4qaara.fsf@redhat.com>

On Dec 17, 2006, at 08:54:17, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On Dec 16, 2006, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
>> Do you REALLY believe that a binary becomes a "derived work" of  
>> any random library that it gets linked against? If that's not  
>> "fair use" of a library that implements a standard library  
>> definition, I don't know what is.
>
> Some disregard the fact that header files sometimes aren't just  
> interface definitions, but they also contain functional code, in  
> the form of preprocessor macros and inline functions, that, if  
> used, do make it to the binary.

I would argue that this is _particularly_ pertinent with regards to  
Linux.  For example, if you look at many of our atomics or locking  
operations a good number of them (depending on architecture and  
version) are inline assembly that are directly output into the code  
which uses them.  As a result any binary module which uses those  
functions from the Linux headers is fairly directly a derivative work  
of the GPL headers because it contains machine code translated  
literally from GPLed assembly code found therein.  There are also a  
fair number of large perhaps-wrongly inline functions of which the  
use of any one would be likely to make the resulting binary  
"derivative".

On the other hand, certain projects like OpenAFS, while not license- 
compatible, are certainly not derivative works.  The project was  
created independently of Linux and operates on several different  
operating systems, so even though it uses the very-Linux-specific  
keyring interfaces under 2.6, no GPL licensing could possibly apply.

> The gray area between what is clearly permitted by a license and  
> the murky lines that determine what constitutes a derived work, and  
> what is fair use even if it's a derived work, is not for any of us  
> to decide. The best we can do is to offer interpretations on intent  
> of license authors and software authors, and of laws.  Even though  
> we're not lawyers or judges, such interpretations may be taken into  
> account in court disputes.

I agree, and I think that this thread has outlived its useful life.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-17 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-16 18:27 GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Ricardo Galli
2006-12-16 21:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17  0:22   ` Ricardo Galli
2006-12-17  4:10     ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-17 13:54   ` GPL only modules Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-17 15:56     ` Ricardo Galli
2006-12-17 16:25     ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2006-12-17 21:32       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-17 21:46         ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-18 15:47           ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 17:46             ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-18 21:01               ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 17:16           ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  6:35             ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-19 16:39               ` David Lang
2006-12-18 19:41       ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 22:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-19  3:42         ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-20  1:02           ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-20 23:28             ` Scott Preece
2006-12-17 17:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17 22:45       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-18  6:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-12-18 23:16           ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-18 15:38       ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 17:02         ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-18 17:23           ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-18 19:27       ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 19:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 20:37           ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 20:50             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 21:23               ` David Schwartz
2006-12-18 22:35                 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-19  1:29                   ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19 16:55                     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-20  0:09                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-20  0:06                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 22:06               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-18 23:28               ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-19  1:35                 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  2:38                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-12-19 12:42                     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-20  0:20                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2006-12-18 23:52               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-18 23:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:43                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-19  1:39                 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  4:20               ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-12-20 19:14                 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-20 23:08                   ` Scott Preece
2006-12-20 23:26                     ` David Schwartz
2006-12-19  7:39               ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2006-12-19  7:40               ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2006-12-19  8:00           ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-19 13:09             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-19 17:27               ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-20  1:06               ` Alexandre Oliva
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-14  0:32 GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Greg KH
2006-12-14  0:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2006-12-14  0:55 ` Greg KH
2006-12-14  4:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 15:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 17:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 17:08         ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 17:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 17:52             ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 18:09               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 10:28                 ` GPL only modules Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-14 18:15               ` GPL only modules [was Re: [GIT PATCH] more Driver core patches for 2.6.19] Eric Sandeen
2006-12-14 18:39                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-12-14 19:42                   ` Scott Preece
2006-12-14 19:34                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-12-15  5:28                       ` GPL only modules Alexandre Oliva

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