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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: vatsa@in.ibm.com
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Gautham shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] flush_cpu_workqueue: don't flush an empty ->worklist
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:51:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070109015152.d5021254.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070109093302.GE589@in.ibm.com>

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:03:02 +0530
Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:26:56PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > That's not correct.  freeze_processes() will freeze *all* processes.
> 
> I am not arguing whether all processes will be frozen. However my question was 
> on the freeze point. Let me ask the question with an example:
> 
> rtasd thread (arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/rtasd.c) executes this simple
> loop:
> 
> 
> static int rtasd(void *unused)
> {
> 
> 	i = first_cpu(cpu_online_map);
> 
> 	while (1) {
> 
> 		set_cpus_allowed(current, cpumask_of_cpu(i));	/* can block */
> 
> 		/* we should now be running on cpu i */
> 
> 		do_something_on_a_cpu(i);
> 		
> 		/* sleep for some time */
> 
> 		i = next_cpu(cpu, cpu_online_map);
> 	}
> 
> }
> 
> This thread makes absolutely -no- calls to try_to_freeze() in its lifetime.

Looks like a bug to me.  powerpc does appear to try to support the freezer.

> 1. Does this mean that the thread can't be frozen? (lets say that the
>    thread's PF_NOFREEZE is not set)

yup.  I'd expect the freeze_processes() call would fail if this thread is
running.

>    AFAICS it can still be frozen by sending it a signal and have the signal 
>    delivery code call try_to_freeze() ..

kernel threads don't take signals in the same manner as userspace.  A
kernel thread needs to explicitly poll, via

	if (signal_pending(current))
		do_something()

rtasd doesn't do that, and using signals in-kernel is considered lame.

> 2. If the thread can be frozen at any arbitrary point of its execution, then I 
>    dont see what prevents cpu_online_map from changing under the feet of rtasd 
>    thread, 

It cannot.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-09  9:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-17 22:34 [PATCH, RFC] reimplement flush_workqueue() Oleg Nesterov
2006-12-18  3:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:27 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  0:43   ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-12-19  1:00     ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-04 11:32     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 14:29       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-04 15:56         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 16:31           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-04 16:57             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 17:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-04 18:09           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-04 18:31             ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-05  9:03               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-05 14:07                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 15:24                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-05  8:56           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-05 12:42             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 15:11               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-06 15:10           ` [PATCH] fix-flush_workqueue-vs-cpu_dead-race-update Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 15:45             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-06 16:30               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 16:38                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-06 17:34                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 10:43                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 12:56                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 14:22                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 14:42                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 16:43                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 17:01                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 17:33                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 17:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 16:21                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 17:09                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 19:11                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-06 19:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-07 11:00                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 19:59                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-07 21:01                         ` [PATCH] flush_cpu_workqueue: don't flush an empty ->worklist Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 23:54                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09  5:04                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09  5:26                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09  6:56                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-09  9:33                                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09  9:44                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-09  9:51                                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-01-09 10:09                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 10:15                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09 15:07                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-09 15:59                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 16:38                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-09 16:46                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 16:56                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-14 23:54                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-15  4:33                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-15 12:54                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-15 13:08                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-15 16:18                                                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-15 16:55                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-16  5:26                                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-16 13:27                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-17  6:17                                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-17 15:47                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-17 16:12                                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-17 17:01                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-17 16:25                                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 21:51                         ` [PATCH] fix-flush_workqueue-vs-cpu_dead-race-update Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 15:22                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-08 15:56                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 16:31                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-08 17:06                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 18:37                                   ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2007-01-09  1:11                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09  4:39                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 14:38                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 15:37                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 12:02 ` [PATCH, RFC] reimplement flush_workqueue() Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 14:38   ` Oleg Nesterov

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