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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: What can OpenVZ do?
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:27:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090213102732.GB4608@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1234475483.30155.194.camel@nimitz>


* Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> > If so, perhaps that can be used as a guide.  Will the planned feature
> > have a similar design?  If not, how will it differ?  To what extent can
> > we use that implementation as a tool for understanding what this new
> > implementation will look like?
> 
> Yes, we can certainly use it as a guide.  However, there are some
> barriers to being able to do that:
> 
> dave@nimitz:~/kernels/linux-2.6-openvz$ git diff v2.6.27.10... | diffstat | tail -1
>  628 files changed, 59597 insertions(+), 2927 deletions(-)
> dave@nimitz:~/kernels/linux-2.6-openvz$ git diff v2.6.27.10... | wc 
>   84887  290855 2308745
> 
> Unfortunately, the git tree doesn't have that great of a history.  It
> appears that the forward-ports are just applications of huge single
> patches which then get committed into git.  This tree has also
> historically contained a bunch of stuff not directly related to
> checkpoint/restart like resource management.

Really, OpenVZ/Virtuozzo does not seem to have enough incentive to merge
upstream, they only seem to forward-port, keep their tree messy, do minimal
work to reduce the cross section to the rest of the kernel (so that they can
manage the forward ports) but otherwise are happy with their carved-out
niche market. [which niche is also spiced with some proprietary add-ons,
last i checked, not exactly the contribution environment that breeds a
healthy flow of patches towards the upstream kernel.]

Merging checkpoints instead might give them the incentive to get
their act together.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-27 17:07 [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:07 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 01/14] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 02/14] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 03/14] Make file_pos_read/write() public Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 04/14] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 05/14] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-02-24  7:47   ` Nathan Lynch
2009-02-24 16:06     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-18  7:21     ` Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 06/14] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 07/14] Restore " Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 08/14] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 09/14] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 10/14] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 11/14] External checkpoint of a task other than ourself Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 12/14] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 13/14] Checkpoint multiple processes Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 14/14] Restart " Oren Laadan
2009-02-10 17:05 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-11 22:14   ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12  9:17     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-12 18:11       ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 20:48         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-12 18:11     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 19:30       ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 19:42         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 21:51           ` What can OpenVZ do? Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 22:10             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 23:04               ` How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: " Dave Hansen
2009-02-26 15:57                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 21:53                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 23:28                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11  8:26                     ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 14:53                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 21:01                         ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-12 21:21                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  4:29                             ` Ying Han
2009-03-13  5:34                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-03-13  6:19                                 ` Ying Han
2009-03-13 17:27                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 19:02                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 19:35                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-13 21:01                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 21:51                                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 22:15                                         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-14  0:27                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  8:12                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-16 22:33                                               ` Kevin Fox
2009-03-19 21:19                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  0:20                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  8:25                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-16  6:01                                           ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 20:48                                   ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-13 22:35                                     ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-18 18:54                                       ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-18 19:04                                         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 15:27                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-13 17:11                                 ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-13 17:37                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 15:47                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-13 16:35                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 16:53                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 16:27                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-26 17:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-26 18:30                     ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-26 22:17                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:19                         ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-27 10:53                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 14:33                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-27  9:36                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 22:31                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-27  9:19                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:57                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:22                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:59                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 16:14                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-27 21:57                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 21:54                           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-01  1:33                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-01 20:02                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-01 20:56                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-01 22:21                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-03 16:17                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-03 18:28                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-16 20:51                 ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-17 22:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-17 22:30                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  0:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  0:40                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  5:11                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-18 18:16                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 21:27                               ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18 23:15                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 19:06                                   ` Banning checkpoint (was: Re: What can OpenVZ do?) Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-19 19:11                                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24  4:47                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-24  5:11                                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24 15:43                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-24 20:09                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-12 22:17             ` What can OpenVZ do? Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 10:27             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-02-13 11:32               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 11:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 22:28                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  0:04                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  0:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-12 22:57         ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 23:05           ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 23:13             ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-13 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-14 23:31           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-16 17:37         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:45         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13  3:57           ` Oren Laadan

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