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From: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Elvis Dowson <elvis.dowson@mac.com>,
	Janakiram Sistla <janakiram.sistla@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Forked android kernel development from linux kernel mainline
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:22:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101106192259.GB2935@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101106181202.GA6927@kroah.com>

On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 11:12:02AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> Are you willing to maintain the android kernel code in the mainline
> kernel tree?  If so, I will be glad to add it back in, but as no one was
> willing to do the work, it was removed.  It's as simple as that.

Note that whoever needs maintain the Android kernel code in mainline
needs to be working with both the Android kernel developers as well as
the upstream maintainers, in hopes of finding a way to find a path
which meets the requirements of both the android kernel developers and
the upstream kernel maintainers.

Otherwise, it's highly likely that no forward progress will get made,
and the code will get yanked from staging after 6-9 months of no
forward progress.

Given that the Android kernel developers have already spent upwards of
ten times the amount of engineering hours it would take forward port
their kernel patches to each upstream kernel version for the next
several years, finding a path that meets their requirements as well as
those of the upstream kernel maintainers may not be a trivial thing.

Also keep in mind that someone no less than Linus Torvalds has said
that sometimes forks are good, and that the _freedom_ to fork is
critical.  But if anyone feels that figuring out some way to make the
android kernel patches (a) upstreamable, and (b) compatible with
android's userspace is their itch to scratch, the other part of the
open source ethos is that they are certainly free to try.

	      				- Ted

P.S.  I speak for myself, and not for my employer.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-06 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-30 18:18 Forked android kernel development from linux kernel mainline Elvis Dowson
2010-11-02 21:25 ` Janakiram Sistla
2010-11-06 18:12   ` Greg KH
2010-11-06 19:22     ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2010-11-06 19:40       ` Anca Emanuel
2010-11-06 23:40         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-06 23:52           ` david
2010-11-07  0:03             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-07  0:13               ` Alan Cox
2010-11-07  0:20                 ` Janakiram Sistla
2010-11-09 16:30                 ` Mark Brown
2010-11-07  0:20               ` david
2010-11-10 13:54               ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 20:38                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-01-11 14:33                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-06 23:42         ` Janakiram Sistla
2010-11-06 23:09       ` Greg KH
2010-11-07  0:24         ` Randy Dunlap
2010-11-07  8:38     ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-07 11:44       ` Anca Emanuel
2010-11-07 15:57         ` Greg KH
2010-11-07 20:06           ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-07 21:31             ` Greg KH
2010-11-07 21:46               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-07 21:47                 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-09 18:10             ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-09 18:24               ` Greg KH
2010-11-09 18:37                 ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-09 18:42                   ` david
2010-11-09 18:52                     ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-09 20:55                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-09 22:32                         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-10  0:35                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-10  9:53                             ` Florian Mickler
2010-11-10 20:55                             ` Alan Cox
2010-11-07 21:44           ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-07 21:59             ` Greg KH
2010-11-07 23:09               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-08  1:42                 ` Greg KH
2010-11-08  2:22                   ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-09 13:27                 ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-11  0:33               ` Roland Dreier
2010-11-11  0:40                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-11-12  3:15                   ` Roland Dreier
2010-11-12 10:26                     ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-11  0:47                 ` Greg KH
2010-11-11 11:21                   ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-12  3:17                     ` Roland Dreier
2010-11-11 11:18                 ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-09 13:27             ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-09 13:51               ` [OpenWrt-Devel] " Wolfgang Spraul
2010-11-13  3:06             ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-15 17:34             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16  6:23               ` Brian Swetland
2010-11-16  7:02                 ` Anca Emanuel

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