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From: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Elvis Dowson <elvis.dowson@mac.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Forked android kernel development from linux kernel mainline
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:55:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101109205514.GH3099@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8EE12C84-9CAE-46F2-8B13-3CF9B9E91F7B@mac.com>

On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 10:52:13PM +0400, Elvis Dowson wrote:
> 
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:42 PM, david@lang.hm wrote:
> 
> > you can modify them, but unless those modifications get used, what good are they?
> 
> It would at least help us get android into mainline, and allow
> hand-set manufacturers to baseline from a newer kernel version, and
> prevent the fork.

Ah, but if you make changes to the android userspace that aren't
accepted upstream by the core android development team, you'll be
forking the android userspace.  And given that they are continuing to
add new features to the android userspace, what makes you so sure that
the handset manufacturers will follow *your* tree?

Note also that the handset manufacturers also don't want to reveal
choices they may have made vis-a-vis to-be-released hardware until the
product is ready to ship.  Hence they make their changes in private
trees that only get shared with partners (including the upstream
Android userspace developers at Google as well as their chip
suppliers) when an NDA is signed.

So it's not clear they will be that interested in using a baseline
from a newer kernel version.  Especially if the changes you propose
making to your forked version of the Android userspace don't contain
the latest and greatest user-visible features....

						- Ted

P.S.  These are my opinions only; I don't speak for my employer.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-09 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-30 18:18 Forked android kernel development from linux kernel mainline Elvis Dowson
2010-11-02 21:25 ` Janakiram Sistla
2010-11-06 18:12   ` Greg KH
2010-11-06 19:22     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-06 19:40       ` Anca Emanuel
2010-11-06 23:40         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-06 23:52           ` david
2010-11-07  0:03             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-07  0:13               ` Alan Cox
2010-11-07  0:20                 ` Janakiram Sistla
2010-11-09 16:30                 ` Mark Brown
2010-11-07  0:20               ` david
2010-11-10 13:54               ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 20:38                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-01-11 14:33                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-06 23:42         ` Janakiram Sistla
2010-11-06 23:09       ` Greg KH
2010-11-07  0:24         ` Randy Dunlap
2010-11-07  8:38     ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-07 11:44       ` Anca Emanuel
2010-11-07 15:57         ` Greg KH
2010-11-07 20:06           ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-07 21:31             ` Greg KH
2010-11-07 21:46               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-07 21:47                 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-09 18:10             ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-09 18:24               ` Greg KH
2010-11-09 18:37                 ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-09 18:42                   ` david
2010-11-09 18:52                     ` Elvis Dowson
2010-11-09 20:55                       ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2010-11-09 22:32                         ` Alan Cox
2010-11-10  0:35                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-10  9:53                             ` Florian Mickler
2010-11-10 20:55                             ` Alan Cox
2010-11-07 21:44           ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-07 21:59             ` Greg KH
2010-11-07 23:09               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-08  1:42                 ` Greg KH
2010-11-08  2:22                   ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-09 13:27                 ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-11  0:33               ` Roland Dreier
2010-11-11  0:40                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-11-12  3:15                   ` Roland Dreier
2010-11-12 10:26                     ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-11  0:47                 ` Greg KH
2010-11-11 11:21                   ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-12  3:17                     ` Roland Dreier
2010-11-11 11:18                 ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-09 13:27             ` Florian Fainelli
2010-11-09 13:51               ` [OpenWrt-Devel] " Wolfgang Spraul
2010-11-13  3:06             ` Arnaud Lacombe
2010-11-15 17:34             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-16  6:23               ` Brian Swetland
2010-11-16  7:02                 ` Anca Emanuel

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