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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	andy.green@linaro.org, Linux USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:48:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110311164850.GT1760@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110311163522.GA9291@kroah.com>

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 08:35:22AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 04:27:59PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > I'm actually not that fussed about the MAC address use case itself and
> > do tend to agree with you that that's handlable in userspace but for the
> > other things that might need to be configured there's a lot of things
> > that for non-discoverable buses we're currently passing through platform
> > data so switching to bouncing things through userspace would itself be a
> > substantial change from other systems.

> But USB _is_ discoverable, that's my point.

USB itself is discoverable but the when the USB bus you're looking at is
one that's soldered down onto a board in a specific design all bets are
off regarding how complete the information you get will be.  On a basic
level the designers may have done things like omit the configuration
EEPROMs that would set the device IDs that the driver should be relying
on to identify the hardware configuration.  There may be other, nastier,
things going on.

> > You can't in general rely on the system being neatly abstracted and
> > while discoverable buses do avoid many problems in this sort of area
> > there are still things which can only be discovered through reference to
> > the schematics or similar, especially if you care about the microamps.

> Again, that's not USB, so it isn't relevant here.

You really can't make this assumption about discoverable buses on
embedded devices.  The discoverability will get you most of the way
there but not always all of the way there.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-11 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-11  9:50 RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets Andy Green
2011-03-11 12:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 12:44   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 14:42     ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:12       ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 15:50         ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:55           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 15:29   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 15:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 16:03       ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:14         ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:27           ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:35             ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:48               ` Mark Brown [this message]
2011-03-11 16:56                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 17:08                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 17:23                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 17:41                       ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17  2:14                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-17 20:13                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 20:18                           ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 20:26                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 21:24                               ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 21:31                                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 21:40                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 21:47                                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 22:33                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 22:53                                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 23:18                                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 23:25                                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-18  7:42                                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 22:54                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 22:57                                                   ` Andy Green
2011-03-18  4:54                                             ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18  8:19                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 23:22                                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 15:00                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 15:15                                             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 17:52                                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 18:20                                               ` David Anders
2011-03-18 18:25                                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 20:02                                                   ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 21:11                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 21:17                                                       ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 20:06                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 21:33                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 23:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 23:33                                                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 21:36                                                 ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18 22:47                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 21:28                                               ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18 23:04                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 22:37                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 22:39                                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 23:27                                         ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18  7:49                                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-18  8:25                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  8:38                                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 22:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 22:20                                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-18  8:42                                 ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-18  9:01                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  9:55                                     ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-18 10:09                                       ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 21:03                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-17 21:32                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:26         ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 16:45           ` Alan Stern
2011-03-11 16:51             ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 17:08               ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 18:09                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 19:12                   ` Alan Stern
2011-03-11 20:05                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 20:21                       ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 21:07                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 21:44                           ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 22:24                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-12 16:00                             ` Alan Stern
2011-03-12 23:02                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 19:37                   ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:53             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:08 ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:20   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 16:36     ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:41       ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 22:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-11 21:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-11 22:45 ` Grant Likely
2011-03-11 22:47   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 23:39     ` Grant Likely
2011-03-14 14:54   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-22 15:05 ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 16:04   ` Andy Green
2011-03-22 18:19     ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 18:37       ` Andy Green
2011-03-22 18:59         ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 19:35           ` Andy Green
     [not found] ` <AANLkTim=ezye=1fQP_1a2SWbPnbENP9B+k27Z3AkS=zf@mail.gmail.com>
2011-03-22 15:12   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-22 15:23     ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-24 18:56     ` Grant Likely
2011-03-22 21:08   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-22 22:37     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23  1:03       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  2:26         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  3:23           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  4:21             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  4:56               ` Greg KH
2011-03-23  5:44               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  9:38               ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 10:53                 ` Mark Brown
2011-03-23 15:04                   ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 15:10                     ` Mark Brown
2011-03-23 15:24                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 15:45                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 15:38                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  9:31             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23  9:47               ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 10:06                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 10:32                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 10:39                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 10:56                       ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 11:13                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 11:34                           ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 12:02                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 15:08                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 16:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 16:22                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 16:34                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 16:56                           ` [RFC] usbnet: use eth%d name for known ethernet devices Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 17:04                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 17:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 10:45                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 17:13                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 17:54                               ` David Anders
2011-03-23 18:46                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 19:35                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTim7hPfTv3gDYnh+jGxHBg0OvX=r1FKYoHnH7H_o@mail.gmail.com>
2011-03-23 19:57                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 19:59                                     ` Randy Dunlap
2011-03-23 23:17                                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-03-23 23:19                                         ` Randy Dunlap
2011-03-23 23:38                                         ` Steve Calfee
2011-03-24  0:01                                           ` Ben Hutchings
2011-03-24 13:13                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 13:15                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 13:44                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-24 13:56                                                 ` Alan Stern
2011-03-24 17:20                                                 ` Alexey Orishko
2011-03-25 11:57                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-25 16:26                                                     ` Alexey Orishko
2011-03-25 16:43                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 19:17                   ` RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets Grant Likely
2011-03-24 20:10                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 14:55                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23 10:22               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23 15:11                 ` Nicolas Pitre

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