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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Detlef Vollmann <dv@vollmann.ch>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	david@lang.hm,
	"Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:59:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201104011659.40443.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D95E112.4020400@vollmann.ch>

On Friday 01 April 2011, Detlef Vollmann wrote:
> On 04/01/11 15:54, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> > 9. All interesting work is going into a handful of platforms, all of which
> >     are ARMv7 based.
> Define interesting.

The ones that are causing the churn that we're talking about.
Platforms that have been working forever and only need to get
the occasional bug fix are boring, i.e. not the problem.
 
> > 12. Supporting many different boards with a single kernel binary is a
> >      useful goal.
> Generally not for embedded systems (for me, a mobile PDA/phone is just a
> small computer with a crappy keyboard, but not an embedded system).

True. For embedded, this would not be an important thing to do, but
also not hurt. For anything that a user might want to put a new
kernel on, this would be helpful though.

> >
> > Based on these assumptions, my preferred strategy would be to a new
> > mach-nocrap directory with a documented set of rules (to be adapted when
> > necessary):
> >
> > * Strictly no crap
> >   * No board files
> Where do you put code that needs to run very early (e.g. pinging the
> watchdog)?

Don't know. I'd hope we can get fast enough to the phase where device
drivers get initialized.
 
> >   * No hardcoded memory maps
> >   * No lists of interrupts and GPIOs
> > * All infrastructure added must be portable to all ARMv7 based SoCs.
> >    (ARMv6 can be added later)
> > * 64 bit safe code only.
> > * SMP safe code only.
> > * All board specific information must come from a device tree and
> >    be run-time detected.
> What do you mean by "run-time detected"?
> For powerpc, we currently have the device tree as DTS in the kernel
> and compile and bundle it together with the kernel.
> As you wrote above: "Discoverable hardware [...] is not going to happen"

I mean writing

	if (device_is_compatible(dev, SOMETHING))
		do_something();

instead of

#ifdef CONFIG_SOMETHING
	do_something();
#endif

The run-time information could come from anywhere (device tree, hardware
registers, today one might use the board number), the important point is
not to assume that hardware is present just because someone enabled
a Kconfig option.

I believe that rule is generally accepted today, but we don't always
enforce it.

> > * Must use the same device drivers as existing platforms
> > * Should share platform drivers (interrupt controller, gpio, timer, ...)
> >    with existing platforms where appropriate.
> > * Code quality takes priority over stability in mach-nocrap, but must not
> >    break other platforms.
> 
> I agree with the general idea, but nailing down the details in a world
> as diverse as the ARM world will not be easy...

Absolutely, I did not claim to have the single solution that everyone else
couldn't see. Please see this more as an RFC.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-01 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-17 18:30 [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18  2:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-18  7:06   ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 10:15   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-18 11:13     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-03-30 17:06     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-30 19:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 20:41         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 21:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 23:31             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 23:59               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31  0:15                 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31  0:31               ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31  0:39               ` david
2011-03-31  3:17                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31  3:29                   ` Dave Airlie
2011-03-31  4:38                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31  9:54                       ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31 10:50                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 12:23                           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-03-31 12:38                           ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-31 13:01                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 14:55                               ` Bill Gatliff
2011-04-01 12:41                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 18:12                               ` Sam Ravnborg
2011-03-31 18:17                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 18:34                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2011-03-31 13:54                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 17:22                           ` david
2011-03-31 18:08                             ` Koen Kooi
2011-03-31  5:05                   ` david
2011-03-31  7:15                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31  8:06                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31  8:30                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 10:41                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 13:25                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 12:04                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 14:43                             ` Kevin Hilman
2011-03-31 15:01                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 15:05                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 15:45                                   ` david
2011-03-31 15:23                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 16:58                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 18:23                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:55                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-01 11:32                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 20:35                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 11:29                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01  7:32                                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 11:22                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:55                                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 12:07                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 12:15                                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-03-31 16:03                           ` david
2011-03-31 16:45                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 17:17                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 19:25                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 20:05                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 20:28                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 22:49                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01  0:53                                       ` Mark Brown
2011-04-01  4:50                                       ` David Brown
2011-04-01  7:45                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-01 13:54                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                             ` <4D95E112.4020400@vollmann.ch>
2011-04-01 14:59                                               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
     [not found]                                                 ` <4D95EF8E.9080902@vollmann.ch>
2011-04-01 15:50                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 17:44                                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-01 19:54                                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 21:00                                                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-01 22:08                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-02  2:24                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-03 15:26                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-03 16:03                                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04  0:59                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04  8:26                                                                 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 11:03                                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-04 11:21                                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:24                                                                     ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 13:31                                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:57                                                                         ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 20:08                                                                           ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-05  6:40                                                                             ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05  7:45                                                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-05 14:15                                                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-05 22:16                                                                               ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06  6:43                                                                                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 22:22                                                                               ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06  6:41                                                                                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05  7:30                                                                             ` Marc Zyngier
2011-05-26 13:38                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-02  2:59                                                       ` Mark Brown
2011-04-04  5:16                                                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-04-04  9:27                                                   ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-04-01 21:10                                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 21:32                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 21:51                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-03 22:18                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-04  0:14                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04  2:49                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 15:27                                             ` Will Deacon
2011-04-01 15:55                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 16:39                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-03 22:26                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-05 23:19                                                   ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06  8:41                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-07  1:44                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 20:19                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-02  4:38                                                   ` Richard Cochran
2011-04-02  3:27                                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-06  6:11                                             ` Barry Song
2011-04-06  7:31                                               ` Bryan Wu
2011-03-31 21:40                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 17:56                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:34                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 19:02                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31  8:09                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 10:49                       ` Felipe Balbi
2011-03-31 18:00                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-03-31  5:45               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-03-31  7:21                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 22:08           ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 21:10         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:54           ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:25             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 22:45               ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:56                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-01  1:42                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-30 22:38             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-30 22:47               ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 23:13                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-30 23:14                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 23:28                   ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31 11:00           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-31 13:54             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-30 21:44         ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:20           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 22:39             ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31  0:15         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31  0:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31  1:15             ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31  1:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31  1:44                 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31  1:56                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31  2:20                     ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31  3:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31  6:42                         ` Olof Johansson
2011-03-31  6:56                         ` David Brown
2011-03-31 11:27                         ` Felipe Balbi
2011-03-31 13:39                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31  4:09             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 10:11               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:07       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-30 22:14         ` Tony Lindgren
2011-04-01  1:17           ` Mark Brown
2011-04-01 14:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  3:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-18  7:09   ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18  8:06     ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2011-03-18 23:43       ` Tony Lindgren

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