From: Bill Gatliff <bgat@billgatliff.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:31:07 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPqkxUGPAAjHRTg2pSn5DfDFp14gO0AKX-d+ZF@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103301814250.28032@xanadu.home>
Nico:
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net> wrote:
>
> But X86 is peanuts. Really.
Finally, a voice of reason!
> On ARM there is simply not such thing as a single machine design to
> clone, and a closed source test bench to design for.
... and there almost certainly won't ever be.
I recognize the problems present in the ARM code. But any attempt to
homogenize the ARM platform code just doesn't fit with reality. ARM
machines are created to solve different problems from PCs, and the
diversity in the ARM platform community is a reflection of that.
I don't think that all the chaos in the ARM kernel code comes from
shite programming; I think it comes from the chaos that is ARM
hardware.
And I'm highly skeptical that any of these problems can be simply
pushed into a bootloader. Most of my clients struggle with the
bare-minimum that is required of bootloaders now, and I don't think
they are in any way out of the ordinary.
I think that the ARM beast has to be tamed with kernel code, because
kernel programmers are the best minds available to do it.
b.g.
--
Bill Gatliff
bgat@billgatliff.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-31 0:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-17 18:30 [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 2:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-18 7:06 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 10:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-18 11:13 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-03-30 17:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-30 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 21:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 23:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 23:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 0:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31 0:31 ` Bill Gatliff [this message]
2011-03-31 0:39 ` david
2011-03-31 3:17 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 3:29 ` Dave Airlie
2011-03-31 4:38 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 9:54 ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31 10:50 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 12:23 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-03-31 12:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-31 13:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 14:55 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-04-01 12:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 18:12 ` Sam Ravnborg
2011-03-31 18:17 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 18:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2011-03-31 13:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 17:22 ` david
2011-03-31 18:08 ` Koen Kooi
2011-03-31 5:05 ` david
2011-03-31 7:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 8:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 8:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 10:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 13:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 12:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 14:43 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-03-31 15:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 15:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 15:45 ` david
2011-03-31 15:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 16:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 18:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-01 11:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-31 20:35 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 11:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 7:32 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 11:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 11:55 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-04-01 12:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 12:15 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-03-31 16:03 ` david
2011-03-31 16:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 19:25 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 22:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 0:53 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-01 4:50 ` David Brown
2011-04-01 7:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-01 13:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <4D95E112.4020400@vollmann.ch>
2011-04-01 14:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <4D95EF8E.9080902@vollmann.ch>
2011-04-01 15:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 17:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-01 19:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 21:00 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-01 22:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-02 2:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-03 15:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-03 16:03 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 0:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 8:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 11:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-04 11:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:24 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 13:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-04 13:57 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-04-04 20:08 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-05 6:40 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 7:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-05 14:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-05 22:16 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06 6:43 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 22:22 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06 6:41 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2011-04-05 7:30 ` Marc Zyngier
2011-05-26 13:38 ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-02 2:59 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-04 5:16 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-04-04 9:27 ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-04-01 21:10 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-04-01 21:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 21:51 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-03 22:18 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-04 0:14 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-04 2:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-01 15:27 ` Will Deacon
2011-04-01 15:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-03 22:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-05 23:19 ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-06 8:41 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-04-07 1:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-01 20:19 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-02 4:38 ` Richard Cochran
2011-04-02 3:27 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-06 6:11 ` Barry Song
2011-04-06 7:31 ` Bryan Wu
2011-03-31 21:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 18:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 8:09 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 10:49 ` Felipe Balbi
2011-03-31 18:00 ` Alexander Holler
2011-03-31 5:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-03-31 7:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-30 22:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 21:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 22:45 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-01 1:42 ` Mark Brown
2011-03-30 22:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-30 22:47 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 23:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-30 23:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 23:28 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31 11:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-31 13:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-30 21:44 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-30 22:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-30 22:39 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-31 0:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-31 0:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 1:15 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 1:44 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 1:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 2:20 ` Bill Gatliff
2011-03-31 3:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-31 6:42 ` Olof Johansson
2011-03-31 6:56 ` David Brown
2011-03-31 11:27 ` Felipe Balbi
2011-03-31 13:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-31 4:09 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-31 10:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-30 21:07 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-03-30 22:14 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-04-01 1:17 ` Mark Brown
2011-04-01 14:17 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 3:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-18 7:09 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-03-18 8:06 ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2011-03-18 23:43 ` Tony Lindgren
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