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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: "Linux PM list" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Magnus Damm" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	markgross@thegnar.org, "Matthew Garrett" <mjg@redhat.com>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:03:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120426140324.0357b1a3@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201204222322.44278.rjw@sisk.pl>

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On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:22:43 +0200 "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:

> From: Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@android.com>
> 
> When an epoll_event, that has the EPOLLWAKEUP flag set, is ready, a
> wakeup_source will be active to prevent suspend. This can be used to
> handle wakeup events from a driver that support poll, e.g. input, if
> that driver wakes up the waitqueue passed to epoll before allowing
> suspend.
> 
> The current implementation uses an extra wakeup_source when
> ep_scan_ready_list runs. This can cause problems if a single thread
> is polling on wakeup events and frequent non-wakeup events (events
> usually arrive during thread freezing) using the same epoll file.

This is quite neat.

If I understand it correctly, you register file descriptors with epoll_ctl()
on an fd created with epoll_create(), and set the new EPOLLWAKEUP flag.
Then when a regular 'poll' or 'select' on the epoll fd reports that it is
readable you:
  - get a wakelock
  - use epoll_wait to collect the events
  - process the events
  - release your wakelock
  - go back to poll() or select() on the epoll fd.
Correct?  As long as there are ready events with EPOLLWAKEUP set a
wakeup_source is held active and the system won't go to sleep.

My concern with this is about permissions.  It appears that any process could
wait of some fd (maybe a pipe they created themselves) with EPOLLWAKEUP, and
then simply never epoll_wait() for the event.  Then they would be keeping
the system awake.  I don't think that is acceptable.

So there needs to be some way to limit who can effectively block suspend by
using EPOLLWAKEUP.
(This is one of the reasons I like an all-user-space solution.  Policy issues
like this can easily be decided in user-space but are clumsy to put into the
kernel).

Also, I'm having trouble understanding the ep->ws wakeup_source.
The epi->ws makes lots of sense and I think I understand it all.
However I don't see why you need a wakeup_source for the 'struct eventpoll'.

Every time that 'poll' decides to call the ->poll fop for the eventpoll, this
wakeup_source will be activated and deactivated which will abort any current
suspend cycle even if there are no events to report.

I suspect it can just go away.


One last item that doesn't really belong here - but it is in context.

This mechanism is elegant because it provides a single implementation that
provides wakeup_source for almost any sort of device.  I would like to do the
same thing for interrupts.
Most (maybe all) of the wakeup device on my phone have an interrupt where the
body is run in a thread.  When the thread has done it's work the event is
visible to userspace so the EPOLLWAKEUP mechanism is all that is needed to
complete the path to user-space (or for my user-space solution, nothing else
is needed once it is visible to user-space).
So we just need to ensure a clear path from the "top half" interrupt handler
to the threaded handler.
So I imagine attaching a wakeup source to every interrupt for which 'wakeup'
is enabled, activating it when the top-half starts and relaxing it when the
bottom-half completes.  With this in place, almost all drivers would get
wakeup_source handling for free.
Does this seem reasonable to you.  I'm afraid I don't have code yet, but hope
to find time in a few weeks.

One difficulty with that is that I have noticed a number of drivers that
potentially enable_irq_wake just before suspend and disable_irq_wake
immediately after (e.g. gpio_keys.c).  Allocating a wakeup_source on each
enable_irq_wake would be an unfortunate overhead.  Maybe we just allocate it
the first time enable_irq_wake is called ....


Thanks,
NeilBrown


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Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-07  1:00 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Initialize wakeup source locks in wakeup_source_add() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:29   ` John Stultz
2012-02-07 22:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Do not check wakeup too often in try_to_freeze_tasks() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:10   ` NeilBrown
2012-02-09  0:05     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  1:27   ` mark gross
2012-02-07  1:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup statistics Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  6:15   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 22:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  2:11       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:49   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:57 ` NeilBrown
2012-02-10  0:44   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  2:05     ` mark gross
2012-02-12 21:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  0:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 15:28           ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:54   ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:19 ` mark gross
2012-02-14  2:07 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-14 23:22   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  5:57     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 23:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16 22:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:56           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 23:02             ` [PATCH] PM / Sleep: Add more wakeup source initialization routines Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 23:50               ` [Update][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20 23:04                 ` [Update 2x][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:55         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 20:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:32   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:33   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] Input / PM: Add ioctl to block suspend while event queue is not empty Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  5:16     ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-25  4:25       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 23:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  0:19         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-26 20:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-27 22:18         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-28  1:17           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  5:58         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-04 22:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  1:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-06  1:04               ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-21 23:35   ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  8:45     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  5:35         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-21 23:36   ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:37   ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  4:49   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 John Stultz
2012-02-22  8:44     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  6:25         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-23 21:26           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 21:32             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  4:44               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-24 23:21                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25  4:43                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 20:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 19:20                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-25 21:01                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 10:24                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-04-22 21:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:19     ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:20     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23  4:01       ` mark gross
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:22     ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  4:03       ` NeilBrown [this message]
2012-04-26 20:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:49           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:18             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 23:26               ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-30  1:58             ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] " NeilBrown
2012-05-01  0:52               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  2:18                 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01  5:33                 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  6:28                   ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 13:51                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16  6:38                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-16 11:00                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 22:04                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-07-17  5:14                         ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-17 19:22                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-17 19:36                             ` Greg KH
2012-07-17 19:55                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-18  6:41                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-04-22 21:23     ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  3:05       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 21:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:39           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03  0:23           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 13:28             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 21:27               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:16                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-24  1:35       ` John Stultz
2012-04-24 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  6:31           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 22:04             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:07               ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:15                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:57               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 21:17                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:29                       ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:30                         ` [PATCH 1/2] PM / Sleep: Make the limit of user space wakeup sources configurable Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:34                         ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: User space wakeup sources garbage collector Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:14                         ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 16:49     ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Greg KH
2012-04-23 19:51       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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