From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
sandy harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] CPU Jitter RNG: inclusion into kernel crypto API and /dev/random
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:12:24 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131102111224.GA19388@amd.pavel.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131102110112.GA16231@amd.pavel.ucw.cz>
On Sat 2013-11-02 12:01:12, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > >sense of where the unpredictability might be coming from, and whether
> > >the unpredictability is coming from something which is fundamentally
> > >arising from something which is chaotic or quantum effect, or just
> > >because we don't have a good way of modelling the behavior of the
> > >L1/L2 cache (for example) and that is spoofing your entropy estimator.
> >
> > Please note: if the jitter really comes from the oscillator effect of
> > the RAM clock vs. the CPU clock (which I suspect), we will not be able
> > to alter the jitter software wise.
>
> Well... if it is really oscillator effect, there should be _no_
> entropy when running with L1/L2 enabled (because DRAM will not be
> accessed at all at that case).
>
> There should be way to extract entropy more directly from various
> oscillator effects, no?
Actually... bogomips calibrating loop already has jitter, measured
from difference between CPU clock and system clock... Could that be
used as entropy source? As a bonus, we should have it on most
platforms...
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-02 11:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-11 18:38 [PATCH] CPU Jitter RNG: inclusion into kernel crypto API and /dev/random Stephan Mueller
2013-10-12 1:45 ` Sandy Harris
2013-10-12 3:28 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-10-12 19:04 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-12 20:12 ` Stephan Mueller
[not found] ` <CACXcFm=_jmeKe2YYbHDi-jTGX-23hDsDeu_weWQkr2F_FpE_6g@mail.gmail.com>
2013-10-14 13:38 ` Fwd: " Sandy Harris
2013-10-14 14:12 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-14 14:26 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-14 14:14 ` Sandy Harris
2013-10-14 14:40 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-14 15:18 ` Sandy Harris
2013-10-14 15:26 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-14 15:46 ` Sandy Harris
2013-10-14 21:33 ` Sandy Harris
2013-10-15 6:23 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-28 15:40 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-28 16:06 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2013-10-28 16:15 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-28 21:45 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-10-29 8:42 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-29 13:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-10-29 14:00 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-10-29 22:25 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-02 11:01 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-02 11:12 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2013-11-03 7:20 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-03 12:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-05 12:20 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-06 11:49 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-06 12:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-06 12:51 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-06 13:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-06 13:24 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-07 0:36 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2013-11-07 5:21 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-09 22:04 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-10 1:10 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-10 16:31 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-10 17:21 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-10 20:28 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-13 3:12 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-13 11:51 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-13 15:15 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-13 17:14 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-14 10:51 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-14 18:01 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-14 18:30 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-14 18:34 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-11 2:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-07 1:03 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2013-11-07 5:26 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-09 22:04 ` Clemens Ladisch
2013-11-10 1:16 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-03 23:32 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-05 12:25 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-05 13:45 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-06 11:42 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-06 13:26 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-07 3:12 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-11-13 3:37 ` [PATCH] CPU Jitter RNG: Executing time variation tests on bare metal Stephan Mueller
2013-10-30 12:59 ` [PATCH] CPU Jitter RNG: inclusion into kernel crypto API and /dev/random Sandy Harris
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