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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org" 
	<linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [tip:x86/asm] x86/asm/entry/64: Migrate error and IRQ exit work to C and remove old assembly code
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:02:29 -0700
Message-ID: <20150812010229.GL3895@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXHNwYT9b4RWWw3TSO_7LqX9csn=sE-Sa7oyy860BL0UQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 03:59:37PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 03:25:04PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> Can you explain to me what context tracking does that rcu_irq_enter
> >> and vtime_account_irq_enter don't do that's expensive?  Frankly, I'd
> >> rather drop everything except the context tracking callback.
> >
> > Irqs have their own hooks in the generic code. irq_enter() and irq_exit().
> > And those take care of RCU and time accounting already. So arch code really
> > doesn't need to care about that.
> 
> I'd love to have irq_enter_from_user and irq_enter_from_kernel instead.

RCU would need to know about irq_enter_from_user(), but could blithely
ignore irq_enter_from_kernel().  Unless irq_enter_from_kernel() is called
from the idle loop, in which case RCU would need to know.  All that aside,
the overhead of rcu_irq_enter() when called from non-idle kernel mode
should be relatively small.  So just telling RCU about all the interrupts
is actually not a bad strategy.

> > context tracking exists for the sole purpose of tracking states that don't
> > have generic hooks. Those are syscalls and exceptions.
> >
> > Besides, rcu_user_exit() is more costly than rcu_irq_enter() which have been
> > designed for the very purpose of providing a fast RCU tracking for non sleepable
> > code (which needs rcu_user_exit()).
> 
> So rcu_user_exit is slower because it's okay to sleep after calling it?
> 
> Would it be possible to defer the overhead until we actually try to
> sleep rather than doing it on entry?  (I have no idea what's going on
> under the hood.)

Nor do I, at least not until someone tells me what .config they are
using.  NO_HZ_FULL, NO_HZ_FULL_SYSIDLE, and RCU_FAST_NO_HZ make a
difference in this case.

> Anyway, irq_enter_from_user would solve this problem completely.
> 
> >
> > I've been thinking about pushing down syscalls and exceptions to generic
> > handlers. It might work for syscalls btw. But many exceptions have only
> > arch handlers, or significant amount of work is done on the arch level
> > which might make use of RCU (eg: breakpoint handlers on x86).
> 
> I'm trying to port the meat of the x86 syscall code to C.  Maybe the
> result will generalize.  The exit code is already in C (in -tip).

That does sound like a good thing!

							Thanx, Paul


  reply index

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-03 19:44 [PATCH v5 00/17] x86: Rewrite exit-to-userspace code Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 01/17] selftests/x86: Add a test for 32-bit fast syscall arg faults Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:49   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry, " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 02/17] x86/entry/64/compat: Fix bad fast syscall arg failure path Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:49   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 03/17] uml: Fix do_signal() prototype Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:49   ` [tip:x86/asm] um: " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 04/17] context_tracking: Add ct_state and CT_WARN_ON Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:50   ` [tip:x86/asm] context_tracking: Add ct_state() and CT_WARN_ON() tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 05/17] notifiers: Assert that RCU is watching in notify_die Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:50   ` [tip:x86/asm] notifiers, RCU: Assert that RCU is watching in notify_die() tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 06/17] x86: Move C entry and exit code to arch/x86/entry/common.c Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:50   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry: Move C entry and exit code to arch/x86/ entry/common.c tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 07/17] x86/traps: Assert that we're in CONTEXT_KERNEL in exception entries Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:51   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/traps, context_tracking: Assert that we' re " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 08/17] x86/entry: Add enter_from_user_mode and use it in syscalls Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:51   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry: Add enter_from_user_mode() " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-14 23:00     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-14 23:04       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-14 23:28         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-12-21 20:50   ` [PATCH v5 08/17] x86/entry: Add enter_from_user_mode " Sasha Levin
2015-12-21 22:44     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 09/17] x86/entry: Add new, comprehensible entry and exit hooks Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:51   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry: Add new, comprehensible entry and exit handlers written in C tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-14 23:07     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-15 19:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-15 20:46         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-15 21:25           ` [PATCH] x86/entry: Fix _TIF_USER_RETURN_NOTIFY check in prepare_exit_to_usermode Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-18  3:25             ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 10/17] x86/entry/64: Really create an error-entry-from-usermode code path Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:52   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 11/17] x86/entry/64: Migrate 64-bit and compat syscalls to new exit hooks Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:52   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry/64: Migrate 64-bit and compat syscalls to the new exit handlers and remove old assembly code tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 12/17] x86/asm/entry/64: Save all regs on interrupt entry Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:52   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 13/17] x86/asm/entry/64: Simplify irq stack pt_regs handling Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:53   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/asm/entry/64: Simplify IRQ " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 14/17] x86/asm/entry/64: Migrate error and interrupt exit work to C Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:53   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/asm/entry/64: Migrate error and IRQ exit work to C and remove old assembly code tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-11 22:18     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-11 22:25       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-11 22:49         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-11 22:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12  1:02             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-08-12 13:13             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-11 22:38     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-11 22:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-11 23:22         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-11 23:33           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 13:32             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-12 14:59               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-18 22:34                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-18 22:40                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19 17:18                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-08-19 18:02                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 15/17] x86/entry: Remove exception_enter from most trap handlers Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:53   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry: Remove exception_enter() " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 16/17] x86/entry: Remove SCHEDULE_USER and asm/context-tracking.h Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:54   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry: Remove SCHEDULE_USER and asm/ context-tracking.h tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-03 19:44 ` [PATCH v5 17/17] x86/irq: Document how IRQ context tracking works and add an assertion Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 10:54   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/irq, context_tracking: Document how IRQ context tracking works and add an RCU assertion tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-14 23:26     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-14 23:33       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-18 13:23         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-07-18 14:10           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-07 11:12 ` [PATCH v5 00/17] x86: Rewrite exit-to-userspace code Ingo Molnar
2015-07-07 16:03   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 17:55     ` [PATCH] x86/entry/64: Fix warning on compat syscalls with CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL=n Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-08  9:57       ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry/64: Fix IRQ state confusion and related warning on compat syscalls with CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL =n tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-08 19:12       ` tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski

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