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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Nils Holland <nholland@tisys.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:12:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161216221202.GE7645@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161216173151.GA23182@cmpxchg.org>

On Fri 16-12-16 12:31:51, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 04:58:08PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > @@ -1013,7 +1013,7 @@ bool out_of_memory(struct oom_control *oc)
> >  	 * make sure exclude 0 mask - all other users should have at least
> >  	 * ___GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM to get here.
> >  	 */
> > -	if (oc->gfp_mask && !(oc->gfp_mask & (__GFP_FS|__GFP_NOFAIL)))
> > +	if (oc->gfp_mask && !(oc->gfp_mask & __GFP_FS))
> >  		return true;
> 
> This makes sense, we should go back to what we had here. Because it's
> not that the reported OOMs are premature - there is genuinely no more
> memory reclaimable from the allocating context - but that this class
> of allocations should never invoke the OOM killer in the first place.

agreed, at least not with the current implementtion. If we had a proper
accounting where we know that the memory pinned by the fs is not really
there then we could invoke the oom killer and be safe

> > @@ -3737,6 +3752,16 @@ __alloc_pages_slowpath(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order,
> >  		 */
> >  		WARN_ON_ONCE(order > PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER);
> >  
> > +		/*
> > +		 * Help non-failing allocations by giving them access to memory
> > +		 * reserves but do not use ALLOC_NO_WATERMARKS because this
> > +		 * could deplete whole memory reserves which would just make
> > +		 * the situation worse
> > +		 */
> > +		page = __alloc_pages_cpuset_fallback(gfp_mask, order, ALLOC_HARDER, ac);
> > +		if (page)
> > +			goto got_pg;
> > +
> 
> But this should be a separate patch, IMO.
> 
> Do we observe GFP_NOFS lockups when we don't do this? 

this is hard to tell but considering users like grow_dev_page we can get
stuck with a very slow progress I believe. Those allocations could see
some help.

> Don't we risk
> premature exhaustion of the memory reserves, and it's better to wait
> for other reclaimers to make some progress instead?

waiting for other reclaimers would be preferable but we should at least
give these some priority, which is what ALLOC_HARDER should help with.

> Should we give
> reserve access to all GFP_NOFS allocations, or just the ones from a
> reclaim/cleaning context?

I would focus only for those which are important enough. Which are those
is a harder question. But certainly those with GFP_NOFAIL are important
enough.

> All that should go into the changelog of a separate allocation booster
> patch, I think.

The reason I did both in the same patch is to address the concern about
potential lockups when NOFS|NOFAIL cannot make any progress. I've chosen
ALLOC_HARDER to give the minimum portion of the reserves so that we do
not risk other high priority users to be blocked out but still help a
bit at least and prevent from starvation when other reclaimers are
faster to consume the reclaimed memory.

I can extend the changelog of course but I believe that having both
changes together makes some sense. NOFS|NOFAIL allocations are not all
that rare and sometimes we really depend on them making a further
progress.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-16 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-15 22:57 OOM: Better, but still there on 4.9 Nils Holland
2016-12-16  7:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58   ` OOM: Better, but still there on Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58     ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: consolidate GFP_NOFAIL checks in the allocator slowpath Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58     ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 17:31       ` Johannes Weiner
2016-12-16 22:12         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-12-17 11:17           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-18 16:37             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 18:47     ` OOM: Better, but still there on Nils Holland
2016-12-17  0:02       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-17 12:59         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 14:44           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-17 17:11             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 21:06             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-18  5:14               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-19 13:45               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-20  2:08                 ` Nils Holland
2016-12-21  7:36                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-21 11:00                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-21 11:16                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-21 14:04                         ` Chris Mason
2016-12-22 10:10                     ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 10:27                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 10:35                         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 10:46                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-22 19:17                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 21:46                         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-23 10:51                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 12:18                             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-23 12:57                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 14:47                                 ` [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: fix (Re: OOM: Better, but still there on) Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 22:26                                   ` Nils Holland
2016-12-26 12:48                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 18:57                                       ` Nils Holland
2016-12-27  8:08                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 11:23                                           ` Nils Holland
2016-12-27 11:27                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 15:55                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 16:28                                         ` [PATCH] mm, vmscan: consider eligible zones in get_scan_count kbuild test robot
2016-12-28  8:51                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 19:33                                         ` [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: fix (Re: OOM: Better, but still there on) Nils Holland
2016-12-28  8:57                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  1:20                                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  9:04                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  2:05                                             ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30 10:40                                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  0:31                                       ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  0:48                                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  8:52                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 10:19                                       ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-30 11:05                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 12:43                                           ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-25 22:25                                   ` [lkp-developer] [mm, memcg] d18e2b2aca: WARNING:at_mm/memcontrol.c:#mem_cgroup_update_lru_size kernel test robot
2016-12-26 12:26                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:50                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-18  0:28             ` OOM: Better, but still there on Xin Zhou
2016-12-16 18:15   ` OOM: Better, but still there on 4.9 Chris Mason
2016-12-16 22:14     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 22:47       ` Chris Mason
2016-12-16 23:31         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 19:50   ` Chris Mason
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-12-01 15:25 [PATCH 0/2] GFP_NOFAIL cleanups Michal Hocko
2016-12-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Michal Hocko
2016-12-02  7:23   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-12-05 13:45   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-05 14:10     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-06  8:27       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-06 10:38       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-06 11:03         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-12-06 19:25           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-06 19:22         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-08 12:53           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-08 13:47             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-11 11:23               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-11 13:53                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-12  8:52                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-12  8:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-14 10:34                   ` Michal Hocko

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