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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 1/5] sched/core: add capacity constraints to CPU controller
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:15:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170320171511.GB3623@htj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1488292722-19410-2-git-send-email-patrick.bellasi@arm.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 02:38:38PM +0000, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> This patch extends the CPU controller by adding a couple of new
> attributes, capacity_min and capacity_max, which can be used to enforce
> bandwidth boosting and capping. More specifically:
> 
> - capacity_min: defines the minimum capacity which should be granted
>                 (by schedutil) when a task in this group is running,
>                 i.e. the task will run at least at that capacity
> 
> - capacity_max: defines the maximum capacity which can be granted
>                 (by schedutil) when a task in this group is running,
>                 i.e. the task can run up to that capacity

cpu.capacity.min and cpu.capacity.max are the more conventional names.
I'm not sure about the name capacity as it doesn't encode what it does
and is difficult to tell apart from cpu bandwidth limits.  I think
it'd be better to represent what it controls more explicitly.

> These attributes:
> a) are tunable at all hierarchy levels, i.e. root group too

This usually is problematic because there should be a non-cgroup way
of configuring the feature in case cgroup isn't configured or used,
and it becomes awkward to have two separate mechanisms configuring the
same thing.  Maybe the feature is cgroup specific enough that it makes
sense here but this needs more explanation / justification.

> b) allow to create subgroups of tasks which are not violating the
>    capacity constraints defined by the parent group.
>    Thus, tasks on a subgroup can only be more boosted and/or more

For both limits and protections, the parent caps the maximum the
children can get.  At least that's what memcg does for memory.low.
Doing that makes sense for memcg because for memory the parent can
still do protections regardless of what its children are doing and it
makes delegation safe by default.

I understand why you would want a property like capacity to be the
other direction as that way you get more specific as you walk down the
tree for both limits and protections; however, I think we need to
think a bit more about it and ensure that the resulting interface
isn't confusing.  Would it work for capacity to behave the other
direction - ie. a parent's min restricting the highest min that its
descendants can get?  It's completely fine if that's weird.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-20 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-28 14:38 [RFC v3 0/5] Add capacity capping support to the CPU controller Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 1/5] sched/core: add capacity constraints to " Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-13 10:46   ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-15 11:20     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-15 13:20       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-15 16:10         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-03-15 16:44           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-15 17:24             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-03-15 17:57               ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-20 17:15   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2017-03-20 17:36     ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-20 18:08     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-23  0:28       ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-23 10:32         ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-23 16:01           ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-23 18:15             ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-23 18:39               ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-24  6:37                 ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-24 15:00                   ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-30 21:13                 ` Paul Turner
2017-03-24  7:02           ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-30 21:15       ` Paul Turner
2017-04-01 16:25         ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 2/5] sched/core: track CPU's capacity_{min,max} Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 3/5] sched/core: sync capacity_{min,max} between slow and fast paths Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 4/5] sched/{core,cpufreq_schedutil}: add capacity clamping for FAIR tasks Patrick Bellasi
2017-02-28 14:38 ` [RFC v3 5/5] sched/{core,cpufreq_schedutil}: add capacity clamping for RT/DL tasks Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-13 10:08   ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2017-03-15 11:40     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-15 12:59       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-15 14:44         ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-15 16:13           ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-15 16:24             ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-15 23:40               ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-16 11:16                 ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-16 12:27                   ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-16 12:44                     ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-16 16:58                       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-16 17:17                         ` Juri Lelli
2017-03-15 11:41 ` [RFC v3 0/5] Add capacity capping support to the CPU controller Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-15 12:59   ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-16  1:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-16  3:15       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-20 22:51         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 11:01           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-24 23:52             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-16 12:23       ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-20 14:51 ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-20 17:22   ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-10  7:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-11 17:58       ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 12:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:55           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 15:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-13 11:33               ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:34           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 14:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 12:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:24           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 12:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 13:27           ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 14:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-12 14:43               ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-04-12 16:14                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-13 10:34                   ` Patrick Bellasi

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