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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Rehas Sachdeva <aquannie@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-nilfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 72/73] xfs: Convert mru cache to XArray
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:14:56 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171206031456.GE4094@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171206020208.GK26021@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 06:02:08PM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 12:36:48PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > -	if (radix_tree_preload(GFP_NOFS))
> > > -		return -ENOMEM;
> > > -
> > >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&elem->list_node);
> > >  	elem->key = key;
> > >  
> > > -	spin_lock(&mru->lock);
> > > -	error = radix_tree_insert(&mru->store, key, elem);
> > > -	radix_tree_preload_end();
> > > -	if (!error)
> > > -		_xfs_mru_cache_list_insert(mru, elem);
> > > -	spin_unlock(&mru->lock);
> > > +	do {
> > > +		xas_lock(&xas);
> > > +		xas_store(&xas, elem);
> > > +		error = xas_error(&xas);
> > > +		if (!error)
> > > +			_xfs_mru_cache_list_insert(mru, elem);
> > > +		xas_unlock(&xas);
> > > +	} while (xas_nomem(&xas, GFP_NOFS));
> > 
> > Ok, so why does this have a retry loop on ENOMEM despite the
> > existing code handling that error? And why put such a loop in this
> > code and not any of the other XFS code that used
> > radix_tree_preload() and is arguably much more important to avoid
> > ENOMEM on insert (e.g. the inode cache)?
> 
> If we need more nodes in the tree, xas_store() will try to allocate them
> with GFP_NOWAIT | __GFP_NOWARN.  If that fails, it signals it in xas_error().
> xas_nomem() will notice that we're in an ENOMEM situation, and allocate
> a node using your preferred GFP flags (NOIO in your case).  Then we retry,
> guaranteeing forward progress. [1]
> 
> The other conversions use the normal API instead of the advanced API, so
> all of this gets hidden away.  For example, the inode cache does this:
> 
> +       curr = xa_cmpxchg(&pag->pag_ici_xa, agino, NULL, ip, GFP_NOFS);
> 
> and xa_cmpxchg internally does:
> 
>         do {
>                 xa_lock_irqsave(xa, flags);
>                 curr = xas_create(&xas);
>                 if (curr == old)
>                         xas_store(&xas, entry);
>                 xa_unlock_irqrestore(xa, flags);
>         } while (xas_nomem(&xas, gfp));

Ah, OK, that's not obvious from the code changes. :/

However, it's probably overkill for XFS. In all the cases, when we
insert there should be no entry in the tree - the
radix tree insert error handling code there was simply catching
"should never happen" cases and handling it without crashing.

Now that I've looked at this, I have to say that having a return
value of NULL meaning "success" is quite counter-intuitive. That's
going to fire my "that looks so wrong" detector every time I look at
the code and notice it's erroring out on a non-null return value
that isn't a PTR_ERR case....

Also, there's no need for irqsave/restore() locking contexts here as
we never access these caches from interrupt contexts. That's just
going to be extra overhead, especially on workloads that run 10^6
inodes inodes through the cache every second. That's a problem
caused by driving the locks into the XA structure and then needing
to support callers that require irq safety....

> > Also, I really don't like the pattern of using xa_lock()/xa_unlock()
> > to protect access to an external structure. i.e. the mru->lock
> > context is protecting multiple fields and operations in the MRU
> > structure, not just the radix tree operations. Turning that around
> > so that a larger XFS structure and algorithm is now protected by an
> > opaque internal lock from generic storage structure the forms part
> > of the larger structure seems like a bad design pattern to me...
> 
> It's the design pattern I've always intended to use.  Naturally, the
> xfs radix trees weren't my initial target; it was the page cache, and
> the page cache does the same thing; uses the tree_lock to protect both
> the radix tree and several other fields in that same data structure.
> 
> I'm open to argument on this though ... particularly if you have a better
> design pattern in mind!

I don't mind structures having internal locking - I have a problem
with leaking them into contexts outside the structure they protect.
That way lies madness - you can't change the internal locking in
future because of external dependencies, and the moment you need
something different externally we've got to go back to an external
lock anyway.

This is demonstrated by the way you converted the XFS dquot tree -
you didn't replace the dquot tree lock with the internal xa_lock
because it's a mutex and we have to sleep holding it. IOWs, we've
added another layer of locking here, not simplified the code.

What I really see here is that  we have inconsistent locking
patterns w.r.t. XA stores inside XFS - some have an external mutex
to cover a wider scope, some use xa_lock/xa_unlock to span multiple
operations, some directly access the internal xa lock via direct
spin_lock/unlock(...xa_lock) calls and non-locking XA call variants.
In some places you remove explicit rcu_read_lock() calls because the
internal xa_lock implies RCU, but in other places we still need them
because we have to protect the objects the tree points to, not just
the tree....

IOWs, there's no consistent pattern to the changes you've made to
the XFS code. The existing radix tree code has clear, consistent
locking, tagging and lookup patterns. In contrast, each conversion
to the XA code has resulted in a different solution for each radix
tree conversion. Yes, there's been a small reduction in the amoutn
of code in converting to the XA API, but it comes at the cost of
consistency and ease of understanding the code that uses the radix
tree API.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-06  3:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-06  0:40 [PATCH v4 00/73] XArray version 4 Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 01/73] xfs: Rename xa_ elements to ail_ Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 02/73] xarray: Add the xa_lock to the radix_tree_root Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 03/73] page cache: Use xa_lock Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 04/73] xarray: Replace exceptional entries Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 05/73] xarray: Change definition of sibling entries Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 06/73] xarray: Add definition of struct xarray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 07/73] xarray: Define struct xa_node Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 08/73] xarray: Add documentation Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-11 23:10   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-12-15  4:22     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 12:34       ` Naming of tag operations in the XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-19  0:16         ` Randy Dunlap
2017-12-15 17:10     ` Storing errors " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-19  0:27       ` Randy Dunlap
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 09/73] xarray: Add xa_load Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 10/73] xarray: Add xa_get_tag, xa_set_tag and xa_clear_tag Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 11/73] xarray: Add xa_store Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 12/73] xarray: Add xa_cmpxchg Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:40 ` [PATCH v4 13/73] xarray: Add xa_for_each Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 14/73] xarray: Add xas_for_each_tag Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 15/73] xarray: Add xa_get_entries, xa_get_tagged and xa_get_maybe_tag Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 16/73] xarray: Add xa_destroy Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 17/73] xarray: Add xas_next and xas_prev Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 18/73] xarray: Add xas_create_range Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 19/73] xarray: Add MAINTAINERS entry Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 20/73] idr: Convert to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 21/73] ida: " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 22/73] page cache: Convert hole search " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 23/73] page cache: Add page_cache_range_empty function Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 24/73] page cache: Add and replace pages using the XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 25/73] page cache: Convert page deletion to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 26/73] page cache: Convert page cache lookups " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 27/73] page cache: Convert delete_batch " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 28/73] page cache: Remove stray radix comment Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 29/73] mm: Convert page-writeback to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 30/73] mm: Convert workingset " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 31/73] mm: Convert truncate " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 32/73] mm: Convert add_to_swap_cache " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 33/73] mm: Convert delete_from_swap_cache " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 34/73] mm: Convert cgroup writeback " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 35/73] mm: Convert __do_page_cache_readahead " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 36/73] mm: Convert page migration " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 37/73] mm: Convert huge_memory " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 38/73] mm: Convert collapse_shmem " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 39/73] mm: Convert khugepaged_scan_shmem " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 40/73] pagevec: Use xa_tag_t Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 41/73] shmem: Convert replace to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 42/73] shmem: Convert shmem_confirm_swap " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 43/73] shmem: Convert find_swap_entry " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 44/73] shmem: Convert shmem_tag_pins " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 45/73] shmem: Convert shmem_wait_for_pins " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 46/73] shmem: Convert shmem_add_to_page_cache " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 47/73] shmem: Convert shmem_alloc_hugepage " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 48/73] shmem: Convert shmem_free_swap " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 49/73] shmem: Convert shmem_partial_swap_usage " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 50/73] shmem: Comment fixups Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 51/73] btrfs: Convert page cache to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 52/73] fs: Convert buffer " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 53/73] fs: Convert writeback " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 54/73] nilfs2: Convert " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 55/73] f2fs: " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 56/73] lustre: " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 57/73] dax: Convert dax_unlock_mapping_entry " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 58/73] dax: Convert lock_slot " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 59/73] dax: More XArray conversion Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 60/73] dax: Convert __dax_invalidate_mapping_entry to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 61/73] dax: Convert dax_writeback_one " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 62/73] dax: Convert dax_insert_pfn_mkwrite " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 63/73] dax: Convert dax_insert_mapping_entry " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 64/73] dax: Convert grab_mapping_entry " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 65/73] dax: Fix sparse warning Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 66/73] page cache: Finish XArray conversion Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 67/73] vmalloc: Convert to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 68/73] brd: " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 69/73] xfs: Convert m_perag_tree " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 70/73] xfs: Convert pag_ici_root " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 71/73] xfs: Convert xfs dquot " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 72/73] xfs: Convert mru cache " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  1:36   ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-06  2:02     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  3:14       ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2017-12-06  4:45         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  4:52           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  8:44           ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-06 14:06             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-07  0:38               ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-08 23:01                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-10 23:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-11  4:23                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-11 21:55                       ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-07 16:06               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-12-07 22:22                 ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-08  4:45                   ` Byungchul Park
2017-12-08  7:25                     ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-08  9:27                       ` Byungchul Park
2017-12-08 17:35                         ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08 22:36                           ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-09 17:00                             ` Joe Perches
2017-12-11 21:43                               ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-11 22:12                                 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-11 22:43                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-11 23:46                                     ` Joe Perches
2017-12-12 15:51                                       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-14 18:23                                     ` Joe Perches
2017-12-17  1:26                                     ` [RFC patch] checkpatch: Add a test for long function definitions (>200 lines) Joe Perches
2017-12-17 21:46                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-17 22:22                                         ` Joe Perches
2017-12-17 22:33                                         ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2017-12-11 23:38                                   ` [PATCH v4 72/73] xfs: Convert mru cache to XArray Dave Chinner
2017-12-21 12:05                                   ` Knut Omang
2017-12-07 22:38                 ` Lockdep is less useful than it was Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-07 22:39                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-08  0:14                   ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-08 15:27                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-12-08 18:14                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-08 22:47                       ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-06  0:41 ` [PATCH v4 73/73] usb: Convert xhci-mem to XArray Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  1:45 ` [PATCH v4 00/73] XArray version 4 Dave Chinner
2017-12-06  1:51   ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-06  1:53     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  2:17       ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-06  2:27         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  2:05   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  2:38     ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-06 23:58 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-07  0:13   ` Matthew Wilcox

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