From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC,05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 23:22:46 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180130012246.GD21702@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eQXhWrnmewmifDVH-F3MFN45yoMqTeOXPKgL6Mu-iopfA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 02:12:02PM -0800, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 01:37:05PM -0800, Jim Mattson wrote:
> >> For GCE, "you might be migrated to Skylake" is pretty much a
> >> certainty. Even if you're in a zone that doesn't currently have
> >> Skylake machines, chances are pretty good that it will have Skylake
> >> machines some day in the not-too-distant future.
> >
> > This kind of scenario is why I suggest a "we promise you're not
> > going to be migrated to Skylake" bit instead a "you may be
> > migrated to Skylake" bit. The hypervisor could prevent migration
> > to Skylake hosts if management software chose to enable this bit,
> > and guests would choose the safest option (i.e. assume the worst)
> > if running on older hypervisors that don't set the bit.
>
> Giving customers this option promises the logistical nightmare of
> provisioning sufficient pre-Skylake-era machines in all pools until
> sufficient post-Skylake-era machines can be deployed to replace them.
If this is not practical, the hypervisor can simply choose to
never make any of those promises to the guest OS.
Never implementing any of those bits is also an option. But then
guest OSes must be aware that the hypervisor can _not_ promise
that f/m/s matches the host CPU, and can _not_ promise that the
VM will never be migrated to Skylake CPUs.
--
Eduardo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-30 1:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-20 19:22 [RFC 00/10] Speculation Control feature support KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 01/10] x86/speculation: Add basic support for IBPB KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 02/10] x86/kvm: Add IBPB support KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 20:18 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 18:56 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-22 19:31 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 03/10] x86/speculation: Use Indirect Branch Prediction Barrier in context switch KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 04/10] x86/mm: Only flush indirect branches when switching into non dumpable process KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 21:06 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-22 18:29 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-21 11:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-21 12:04 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 14:07 ` H.J. Lu
2018-01-22 10:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 10:23 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 16:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-21 16:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-21 22:20 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-29 6:35 ` Jon Masters
2018-01-29 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 14:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-21 14:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-22 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22 12:06 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-22 13:30 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-22 13:37 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-21 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 20:58 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 22:43 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2018-01-24 8:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 9:02 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 9:10 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-24 15:09 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-24 15:18 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 9:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 10:49 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2018-01-24 12:30 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:14 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 12:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-24 12:58 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:14 ` [RFC,05/10] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:17 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 20:42 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 20:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-29 21:02 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 21:37 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-29 21:50 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:12 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30 1:22 ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2018-01-29 22:25 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-30 1:37 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 21:37 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 21:44 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 22:10 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-30 1:12 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30 0:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30 1:03 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30 3:13 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-31 15:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-31 15:07 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30 1:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30 3:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-30 12:04 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30 13:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-30 8:22 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:35 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-30 11:56 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-30 12:11 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:46 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 14:52 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 14:56 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-30 15:33 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-01-30 20:46 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-31 10:05 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 10:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-31 11:04 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 11:52 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 12:30 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 13:18 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 14:04 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-01-31 14:44 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 16:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-31 11:07 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-31 15:00 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-31 15:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-31 10:03 ` [RFC 05/10] " Christophe de Dinechin
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 06/10] x86/speculation: Add inlines to control Indirect Branch Speculation KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 07/10] x86: Simplify spectre_v2 command line parsing KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:22 ` [RFC 08/10] x86/idle: Control Indirect Branch Speculation in idle KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-20 19:23 ` [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 19:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-23 16:12 ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 16:20 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 22:37 ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-23 22:49 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 23:14 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-23 23:22 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-24 0:47 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-24 1:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-24 1:22 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-24 1:59 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-24 3:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-21 19:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 20:28 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 21:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-21 22:00 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-21 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22 16:27 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 7:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 7:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 9:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 9:37 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 15:01 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-23 9:30 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:57 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 10:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-23 10:35 ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-04 18:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-02-04 20:22 ` David Woodhouse
2018-02-06 9:14 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 16:19 ` Mason
2018-01-25 17:16 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-29 11:59 ` Mason
2018-01-24 0:05 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 20:16 ` Pavel Machek
2018-01-20 19:23 ` [RFC 10/10] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 13:50 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-21 14:40 ` KarimAllah Ahmed
2018-01-21 17:22 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-21 14:02 ` [RFC 00/10] Speculation Control feature support Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-01-22 21:27 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-29 22:29 [RFC,05/10] x86/speculation: Add basic IBRS support infrastructure David Dunn
2018-01-29 22:41 ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-29 22:49 ` Jim Mattson
2018-01-30 1:10 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-30 1:20 ` David Dunn
2018-01-30 1:30 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-29 23:51 ` Fred Jacobs
2018-01-30 1:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
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