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From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	joe.konno@linux.intel.com, linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	matthew.garrett@nebula.com, Jeremy Kerr <jk@ozlabs.org>,
	ak@linux.intel.com, pjones@redhat.com, luto@kernel.org,
	James Bottomley <james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs/efivarfs: restrict inode permissions
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:32:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180220213246.43y2vbiiikqyx2ys@agluck-desk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACdnJusL1Vj_rvhZY+0_KZkrk=fwnQcr1y+vxOBmUXa4xdHHsg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 09:22:29PM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:18 PM Luck, Tony <tony.luck@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does this rate an exception to the "don't break userspace" for a security
> issue?
> 
> To be clear, when you say "security" is this in reference to it being a
> denial of service, or are you worried about other interactions that may
> cause wider security issues?

The immediate problem is the denial of service attack.  I have
a nagging worry that allowing a user to cause an SMI at a precise
time might also be a problem. But I don't know how that could be
leveraged in some other attack.

Making the efivar files 0600 would stop the user from causing the
SMIs. The rate limit solution could include a random delay to make
it tricky to use any attack that relies on an SMI during some specific
code sequence.

-Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-20 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-15 18:22 [PATCH 0/2] efivars: reading variables can generate SMIs Joe Konno
2018-02-15 18:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs/efivarfs: restrict inode permissions Joe Konno
2018-02-20 19:18   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-20 21:18     ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-20 21:22       ` Matthew Garrett
2018-02-20 21:32         ` Luck, Tony [this message]
2018-02-20 21:35           ` Matthew Garrett
2018-02-20 22:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-20 23:30         ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-20 23:39           ` Matthew Garrett
2018-02-20 23:50             ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-21  0:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-21  1:05             ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-21  2:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-21  9:03                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-21 18:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-21 18:21                     ` Andi Kleen
2018-02-21 19:47                       ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-21 19:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-21 19:58                           ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-21 20:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-22  1:45                               ` [PATCH] efivarfs: Limit the rate for non-root to read files Luck, Tony
2018-02-22  1:58                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-22  5:34                                   ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-22 17:10                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <CA+55aFy0hRexJkLbN7t31LjfGr4Ae0W5g6sBMqHHJi8aYuGKeA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                       ` <612E894E-62C8-4155-AED8-D53702EDC8DC@intel.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <CA+55aFxeBaTbwvbWqx1MKYjKKzLUs=1O43Bx2=JaO8qrnY-8HA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-02-22 17:15                                           ` [PATCH v2] " Luck, Tony
2018-02-22 17:39                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-22 17:54                                               ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-22 18:07                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-22 18:08                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-23 20:34                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-23 19:47                                         ` [PATCH] " Peter Jones
2018-02-21 19:52                       ` [PATCH 1/2] fs/efivarfs: restrict inode permissions Linus Torvalds
2018-02-24 20:06                   ` Alan Cox
2018-02-25 10:56                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-21  0:49         ` Peter Jones
2018-02-20 23:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-15 18:22 ` [PATCH 2/2] efi: restrict top-level attribute permissions Joe Konno
2018-02-16 10:41 ` [PATCH 0/2] efivars: reading variables can generate SMIs Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-16 10:55   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-02-16 10:58     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-16 11:08       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-02-16 11:18         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-16 18:48           ` Joe Konno
2018-02-16 18:58             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-02-16 19:22             ` Peter Jones
2018-02-16 19:31               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-16 19:51                 ` Matthew Garrett
2018-02-16 19:32               ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-16 19:54                 ` Peter Jones
2018-02-16 20:51   ` James Bottomley
2018-02-16 21:09     ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-16 21:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-16 21:58         ` Matthew Garrett
2018-02-16 22:02           ` Luck, Tony
2018-02-16 22:03             ` Matthew Garrett
2018-02-17 18:12               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-16 22:05       ` Peter Jones
2018-02-17  9:36         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-02-17 16:17           ` Andi Kleen

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