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From: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: "Yang Weijiang" <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
	"kvm list" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Sean Christopherson" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/7] Introduce support for Guest CET feature
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:50:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191008085049.GA21631@local-michael-cet-test> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eQUiLNmF6oF5uEuT-VhRnzp3S9rsnAE0jpK+=38LQBHQA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 09:33:45AM -0700, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:59 AM Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 03:40:20PM -0700, Jim Mattson wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:17 PM Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) provides protection against
> > > > Return/Jump-Oriented Programming (ROP/JOP) attack. It includes two
> > > > sub-features: Shadow Stack (SHSTK) and Indirect Branch Tracking (IBT).
> > > >
> > > > KVM modification is required to support Guest CET feature.
> > > > This patch serial implemented CET related CPUID/XSAVES enumeration, MSRs
> > > > and VMEntry configuration etc.so that Guest kernel can setup CET
> > > > runtime infrastructure based on them. Some MSRs and related feature
> > > > flags used in the patches reference the definitions in kernel patch.
> > >
> > > I am still trying to make my way through the 358 page (!) spec for
> > > this feature, but I already have some questions/comments about this
> > > series:
> > >
> > > 1. Does CET "just work" with shadow paging? Shadow paging knows
> > > nothing about "shadow-stack pages," and it's not clear to me how
> > > shadow-stack pages will interact with dirty tracking.
> > > 2. I see non-trivial changes to task switch under CET. Does
> > > emulator_do_task_switch need to be updated?
> > > 3. What about all of the emulator routines that emulate control
> > > transfers (e.g. em_jmp_{far,abs}, em_call_(near_abs,far},
> > > em_ret_{far,far_imm,near_imm}, etc)? Don't these have to be modified
> > > to work correctly when CR4.CET is set?
> > > 4. You don't use the new "enable supervisor shadow stack control" bit
> > > in the EPTP. I assume that this is entirely optional, right?
> > > 5. I think the easiest way to handle the nested issue (rather than
> > > your explicit check for vmxon when setting CR4.CET when the vCPU is in
> > > VMX operation) is just to leave CR4.CET out of IA32_VMX_CR4_FIXED1
> > > (which is already the case).
> > > 6. The function, exception_class(), in x86.c, should be updated to
> > > categorize #CP as contributory.
> > > 7. The function, x86_exception_has_error_code(), in x86.h, should be
> > > updated to include #CP.
> > > 8. There appear to be multiple changes to SMM that you haven't
> > > implemented (e.g saving/restoring the SSP registers in/from SMRAM.
> > >
> > > CET is quite complex. Without any tests, I don't see how you can have
> > > any confidence in the correctness of this patch series.
> > Thanks Jim for the detailed comments.
> >
> > I missed adding test platform and
> > result introduction in cover letter. This serial of patch has passed CET
> > test in guest on Intel x86 emulator platform and develop machine.
> > Some feature mentioned in the spec. has not been implemented yet. e.g.,
> > "supervisor shadow stack control".
> 
> What I should have said is that I'd like to see kvm-unit-tests to
> exercise the new functionality, even if no one outside Intel can run
> them yet.
>
OK, let me figure out how to test it either in unit-test or selftest.
Thank you!
> > CET feature itself is complex, most of the enabling work is
> > inside kernel, the role of KVM is to expose CET related CPUID and MSRs
> > etc. to guest, and make guest take over control of the MSRs directly so that
> > CET can work efficiently for guest. There're QEMU patches for CET too.
> >
> > I'll review your comments carefully, thank you again!

      reply	other threads:[~2019-10-08  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-27  2:19 [PATCH v7 0/7] Introduce support for Guest CET feature Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] KVM: CPUID: Fix IA32_XSS support in CPUID(0xd,i) enumeration Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 17:26   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-08  8:30     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-17 19:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-18  1:28       ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-22 19:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-23  1:16           ` Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] kvm: vmx: Define CET VMCS fields and CPUID flags Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 18:04   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-09  5:56     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] KVM: VMX: Pass through CET related MSRs to Guest Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 18:18   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-09  6:15     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-10 19:04       ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-11  1:51         ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-17 20:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-18  1:31         ` Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] KVM: VMX: Load Guest CET via VMCS when CET is enabled in Guest Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 18:54   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-09  6:43     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-09 23:08       ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-10  1:30         ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-10 23:44           ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-11  1:43             ` Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] kvm: x86: Add CET CR4 bit and XSS support Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 19:05   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-17 19:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-18  1:58       ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-22 20:13         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-23  1:19           ` Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] KVM: x86: Load Guest fpu state when accessing MSRs managed by XSAVES Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 19:56   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-09  6:46     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-09-27  2:19 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] KVM: x86: Add user-space access interface for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 20:57   ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-09  6:56     ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-17 19:58     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-18  1:32       ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-02 22:40 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] Introduce support for Guest CET feature Jim Mattson
2019-10-03 13:01   ` Yang Weijiang
2019-10-03 16:33     ` Jim Mattson
2019-10-08  8:50       ` Yang Weijiang [this message]

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