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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
Cc: Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	Evgenii Shatokhin <eshatokhin@virtuozzo.com>,
	Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	arjan@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/10] Function Granular KASLR
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:41:07 -0700
Message-ID: <202008031439.F1399A588@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200803211228.GC30810@redhat.com>

On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 05:12:28PM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
> Hi -
> 
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 01:11:27PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Systemtap needs to know base addresses of loaded text & data sections,
> > > in order to perform relocation of probe point PCs and context data
> > > addresses.  It uses /sys/module/...., kind of under protest, because
> > > there seems to exist no MODULE_EXPORT'd API to get at that information
> > > some other way.
> > 
> > Wouldn't /proc/kallsysms entries cover this? I must be missing
> > something...
> 
> We have relocated based on sections, not some subset of function
> symbols accessible that way, partly because DWARF line- and DIE- based
> probes can map to addresses some way away from function symbols, into
> function interiors, or cloned/moved bits of optimized code.  It would
> take some work to prove that function-symbol based heuristic
> arithmetic would have just as much reach.

Interesting. Do you have an example handy? It seems like something like
that would reference the enclosing section, which means we can't just
leave them out of the sysfs list... (but if such things never happen in
the function-sections, then we *can* remove them...)

-- 
Kees Cook

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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-17 16:59 Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 16:59 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] objtool: Do not assume order of parent/child functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 16:59 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] x86: tools/relocs: Support >64K section headers Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] x86/boot: Allow a "silent" kaslr random byte fetch Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] x86: Makefile: Add build and config option for CONFIG_FG_KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] x86: Make sure _etext includes function sections Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] x86/tools: Add relative relocs for randomized functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] x86/boot/compressed: Avoid duplicate malloc() implementations Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] x86: Add support for function granular KASLR Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] kallsyms: Hide layout Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-20  1:25   ` Kees Cook
2020-07-20 16:59     ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] module: Reorder functions Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-28 17:29   ` Jessica Yu
2020-07-22  9:27 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Function Granular KASLR Miroslav Benes
2020-07-22 14:39   ` Kees Cook
2020-07-22 14:51     ` Joe Lawrence
2020-07-22 14:56       ` Joe Lawrence
2020-07-22 18:24         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-22 16:07     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-07-22 19:42       ` Kees Cook
2020-07-22 19:56         ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-07-22 21:33           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-21 23:02             ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-25 16:16               ` Joe Lawrence
2020-08-28 10:21               ` Miroslav Benes
2020-08-28 19:24                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-01-23 22:59                   ` Fangrui Song
2021-01-25 17:21                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-08-03 11:39   ` Evgenii Shatokhin
2020-08-03 17:45     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-03 18:17       ` Joe Lawrence
2020-08-03 19:38         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-08-03 20:11           ` Kees Cook
2020-08-03 21:12             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-08-03 21:41               ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-08-04  0:48                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2020-08-04 17:04         ` Jessica Yu
2020-08-04 18:23 ` Joe Lawrence
2020-08-07 16:38   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-07 17:20     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-10 16:10       ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-12 17:18   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-06 15:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2020-08-06 19:24   ` Kristen Carlson Accardi
2020-08-06 19:27   ` Kees Cook

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