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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:09:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2385996.Tx2Do9TUNJ@vostro.rjw.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211071032070.1859-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:49:04 AM Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Huang Ying wrote:
> 
> > > > Devices will be disabled if the PCI driver is unbound from the PCI
> > > > device.
> > > 
> > > Yes.  But without a PCI driver, nothing will call 
> > > pm_runtime_set_suspended.
> > 
> > pm_runtime_set_suspended will be called in pci_device_remove or error
> > path of local_pci_probe.
> 
> Yes, okay.  But that's what we want.  Unused, driverless PCI devices
> shouldn't force their parents to remain at full power.
> 
> > >   And even if something does call 
> > > pm_runtime_set_suspended, it's still not a problem -- the device can't 
> > > be used without a driver.
> > 
> > The VGA device can be used without a driver.
> 
> Ah, right, that's your _real_ problem.  You should have mentioned this 
> in the original Changelog for the patch.
> 
> Rafael, this does need to be fixed.

Yup.

> The PCI subsystem assumes that 
> driverless devices are not in use, so they are disabled for runtime PM 
> and marked as suspended.  This is not appropriate for VGA devices, 
> which can indeed be used without a driver.
> 
> I'm not sure what the best solution is.  Maybe we should Ying's 
> proposal a step farther:
> 
> 	Make pm_runtime_set_suspended() fail if runtime PM is 
> 	forbidden.
>
> 	Make pm_runtime_forbid() call pm_runtime_set_active()
> 	(and do a runtime resume of the parent) if disable_depth > 0.

I'd prefer this one.  The callers of pm_runtime_forbid() may actually
reasonably expect something like this to happen.

> 	Make the PCI runtime-idle routine call 
> 	pm_runtime_set_suspended() if disable_depth > 0.  Or maybe
> 	do this for all devices, in the runtime PM core.

That would mean calling it on every call to pm_runtime_put() and friends
which seems to be a bit wasteful.

Thanks,
Rafael


-- 
I speak only for myself.
Rafael J. Wysocki, Intel Open Source Technology Center.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-07 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05  1:17 [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden Huang Ying
2012-11-05  1:56 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-06  0:43   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-06 15:17     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07  0:26       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-07 15:49         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 16:09           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-11-07 17:17             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 20:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 20:47                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 21:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 21:56                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 22:51                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 23:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  1:15                           ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  1:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  2:04                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  9:56                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08 17:07                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-09  2:36                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-09 16:41                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  0:37                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12  2:36                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  5:55                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12 16:32                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  1:19                                                 ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13  2:32                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  5:12                                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13 16:10                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14  1:08                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14  9:52                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 13:35                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14 16:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13 23:43                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 10:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 16:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 19:42                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 21:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 23:10                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15  1:03                                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-15  9:51                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 10:09                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 15:27                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-16  0:36                                                   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:44                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:48                                                       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:55                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:54                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  1:29                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  1:27                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16 10:10                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  3:11                                                   ` Huang Ying

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