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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:41:51 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211091131190.1702-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1352428604.7176.103.camel@yhuang-dev>

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, Huang Ying wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 12:07 -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > 
> > > > > > is it a good idea to allow to set device state to SUSPENDED if the device
> > > > > > is disabled?
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, it is not.  The status should always be ACTIVE as long as usage_count > 0.
> > 
> > That isn't strictly true, because pm_runtime_get_noresume violates this
> > rule.  What the PM core actually does is prevent a transition from the
> > ACTIVE state to the SUSPENDING/SUSPENDED state if usage_count > 0,
> > _provided_ runtime PM is enabled.  There's no such restriction when it
> > is disabled.
> 
> Usage count may be not a issue for the end user.  But "on" in "control"
> sysfs file + SUSPENDED can be confusing for the end user.  Maybe we need
> to check dev->power.runtime_auto in pm_runtime_set_suspended().

You are confusing the issue by raising two separate (though related)
questions.

The first question: How should the PCI subsystem prevent the parents of 
driverless VGA devices from being runtime suspended while userspace is 
accessing them?

The second question: Should the PM core allow devices that are disabled
for runtime PM to be in the SUSPENDED state when
dev->power.runtime_auto is clear?

Assuming we don't want to allow this, there's a third question: Should
pm_runtime_allow call pm_runtime_set_suspended if the device is
disabled?

Alan Stern


  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-09 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05  1:17 [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden Huang Ying
2012-11-05  1:56 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-06  0:43   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-06 15:17     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07  0:26       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-07 15:49         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 16:09           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 17:17             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 20:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 20:47                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 21:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 21:56                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 22:51                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 23:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  1:15                           ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  1:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  2:04                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  9:56                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08 17:07                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-09  2:36                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-09 16:41                                       ` Alan Stern [this message]
2012-11-12  0:37                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12  2:36                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  5:55                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12 16:32                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  1:19                                                 ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13  2:32                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  5:12                                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13 16:10                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14  1:08                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14  9:52                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 13:35                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14 16:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13 23:43                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 10:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 16:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 19:42                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 21:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 23:10                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15  1:03                                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-15  9:51                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 10:09                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 15:27                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-16  0:36                                                   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:44                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:48                                                       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:55                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:54                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  1:29                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  1:27                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16 10:10                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  3:11                                                   ` Huang Ying

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