From: David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [net-next v1 06/16] netdev: support binding dma-buf to netdevice
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 16:29:09 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <279a2999-3c0a-4839-aa2e-602864197410@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izPsQ2XoJy-vYWkn051Yc=D_kSprtQcG4mmPutf1G3+-aw@mail.gmail.com>
On 12/8/23 12:22 PM, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 9:48 AM David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/7/23 5:52 PM, Mina Almasry wrote:
> ...
>>> +
>>> + xa_for_each(&binding->bound_rxq_list, xa_idx, rxq) {
>>> + if (rxq->binding == binding) {
>>> + /* We hold the rtnl_lock while binding/unbinding
>>> + * dma-buf, so we can't race with another thread that
>>> + * is also modifying this value. However, the driver
>>> + * may read this config while it's creating its
>>> + * rx-queues. WRITE_ONCE() here to match the
>>> + * READ_ONCE() in the driver.
>>> + */
>>> + WRITE_ONCE(rxq->binding, NULL);
>>> +
>>> + rxq_idx = get_netdev_rx_queue_index(rxq);
>>> +
>>> + netdev_restart_rx_queue(binding->dev, rxq_idx);
>>
>> Blindly restarting a queue when a dmabuf is heavy handed. If the dmabuf
>> has no outstanding references (ie., no references in the RxQ), then no
>> restart is needed.
>>
>
> I think I need to stop the queue while binding to a dmabuf for the
> sake of concurrency, no? I.e. the softirq thread may be delivering a
> packet, and in parallel a separate thread holds rtnl_lock and tries to
> bind the dma-buf. At that point the page_pool recreation will race
> with the driver doing page_pool_alloc_page(). I don't think I can
> insert a lock to handle this into the rx fast path, no?
I think it depends on the details of how entries are added and removed
from the pool. I am behind on the pp details at this point, so I do need
to do some homework.
>
> Also, this sounds like it requires (lots of) more changes. The
> page_pool + driver need to report how many pending references there
> are (with locking so we don't race with incoming packets), and have
> them reported via an ndo so that we can skip restarting the queue.
> Implementing the changes in to a huge issue but handling the
> concurrency may be a genuine blocker. Not sure it's worth the upside
> of not restarting the single rx queue?
It has to do with the usability of this overall solution. As I mentioned
most ML use cases can (and will want to) use many memory allocations for
receiving packets - e.g., allocations per message and receiving multiple
messages per socket connection.
>
>>> + }
>>> + }
>>> +
>>> + xa_erase(&netdev_dmabuf_bindings, binding->id);
>>> +
>>> + netdev_dmabuf_binding_put(binding);
>>> +}
>>> +
>>> +int netdev_bind_dmabuf_to_queue(struct net_device *dev, u32 rxq_idx,
>>> + struct netdev_dmabuf_binding *binding)
>>> +{
>>> + struct netdev_rx_queue *rxq;
>>> + u32 xa_idx;
>>> + int err;
>>> +
>>> + rxq = __netif_get_rx_queue(dev, rxq_idx);
>>> +
>>> + if (rxq->binding)
>>> + return -EEXIST;
>>> +
>>> + err = xa_alloc(&binding->bound_rxq_list, &xa_idx, rxq, xa_limit_32b,
>>> + GFP_KERNEL);
>>> + if (err)
>>> + return err;
>>> +
>>> + /* We hold the rtnl_lock while binding/unbinding dma-buf, so we can't
>>> + * race with another thread that is also modifying this value. However,
>>> + * the driver may read this config while it's creating its * rx-queues.
>>> + * WRITE_ONCE() here to match the READ_ONCE() in the driver.
>>> + */
>>> + WRITE_ONCE(rxq->binding, binding);
>>> +
>>> + err = netdev_restart_rx_queue(dev, rxq_idx);
>>
>> Similarly, here binding a dmabuf to a queue. I was expecting the dmabuf
>> binding to add entries to the page pool for the queue.
>
> To be honest, I think maybe there's a slight disconnect between how
> you think the page_pool works, and my primitive understanding of how
> it works. Today, I see a 1:1 mapping between rx-queue and page_pool in
> the code. I don't see 1:many or many:1 mappings.
I am not referring to 1:N or N:1 for page pool and queues. I am
referring to entries within a single page pool for a single Rx queue.
>
> In theory mapping 1 rx-queue to n page_pools is trivial: the driver
> can call page_pool_create() multiple times to generate n queues and
> decide for incoming packets which one to use.
>
> However, mapping n rx-queues to 1 page_pool seems like a can of worms.
> I see code in the page_pool that looks to me (and Willem) like it's
> safe only because the page_pool is used from the same napi context.
> with a n rx-queueue: 1 page_pool mapping, that is no longer true, no?
> There is a tail end of issues to resolve to be able to map 1 page_pool
> to n queues as I understand and even if resolved I'm not sure the
> maintainers are interested in taking the code.
>
> So, per my humble understanding there is no such thing as "add entries
> to the page pool for the (specific) queue", the page_pool is always
> used by 1 queue.
>
> Note that even though this limitation exists, we still support binding
> 1 dma-buf to multiple queues, because multiple page pools can use the
> same netdev_dmabuf_binding. I should add that to the docs.
>
>> If the pool was
>> previously empty, then maybe the queue needs to be "started" in the
>> sense of creating with h/w or just pushing buffers into the queue and
>> moving the pidx.
>>
>>
>
> I don't think it's enough to add buffers to the page_pool, no? The
> existing buffers in the page_pool (host mem) must be purged. I think
> maybe the queue needs to be stopped as well so that we don't race with
> incoming packets and end up with skbs with devmem and non-devmem frags
> (unless you're thinking it becomes a requirement to support that, I
> think things are complicated as-is and it's a good simplification).
> When we already purge the existing buffers & restart the queue, it's
> little effort to migrate this to become in line with Jakub's queue-api
> that he also wants to use for per-queue configuration & ndo_stop/open.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-12-09 23:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-12-08 0:52 [net-next v1 00/16] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 01/16] net: page_pool: factor out releasing DMA from releasing the page Mina Almasry
2023-12-10 3:49 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-12-12 8:11 ` Ilias Apalodimas
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 02/16] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers Mina Almasry
2023-12-12 8:07 ` Ilias Apalodimas
2023-12-12 14:47 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 03/16] queue_api: define queue api Mina Almasry
2023-12-14 1:15 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 04/16] gve: implement " Mina Almasry
2024-03-05 11:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 05/16] net: netdev netlink api to bind dma-buf to a net device Mina Almasry
2023-12-14 1:17 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 06/16] netdev: support binding dma-buf to netdevice Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 15:40 ` kernel test robot
2023-12-08 16:02 ` kernel test robot
2023-12-08 17:48 ` David Ahern
2023-12-08 19:22 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 20:32 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-09 23:29 ` David Ahern [this message]
2023-12-11 2:19 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 07/16] netdev: netdevice devmem allocator Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 17:56 ` David Ahern
2023-12-08 19:27 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 08/16] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 22:48 ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-08 23:25 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-10 3:03 ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-11 2:30 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-11 20:35 ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-14 20:03 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-19 23:55 ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-08 23:05 ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-12 12:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-12 13:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-12 14:26 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-12 14:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-12 14:58 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-12 15:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-13 1:09 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-13 2:19 ` David Ahern
2023-12-13 7:49 ` Yinjun Zhang
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 09/16] page_pool: device memory support Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 9:30 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-08 16:05 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-11 2:04 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-11 2:26 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-11 4:04 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-11 11:51 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-11 18:14 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-12 11:17 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-12 14:28 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-13 11:48 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-13 7:52 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 10/16] page_pool: don't release iov on elevanted refcount Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 11/16] net: support non paged skb frags Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 12/16] net: add support for skbs with unreadable frags Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 13/16] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 15:40 ` kernel test robot
2023-12-08 17:55 ` David Ahern
2023-12-08 19:23 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 14/16] net: add SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED setsockopt to release RX frags Mina Almasry
2023-12-12 19:08 ` Simon Horman
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 15/16] net: add devmem TCP documentation Mina Almasry
2023-12-12 19:14 ` Simon Horman
2023-12-08 0:52 ` [net-next v1 16/16] selftests: add ncdevmem, netcat for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 1:47 ` [net-next v1 00/16] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2023-12-08 17:57 ` David Ahern
2023-12-08 19:31 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-10 3:48 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-12-12 5:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-14 6:20 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2023-12-14 6:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-14 6:51 ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-14 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
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