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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 00/12] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace
Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 14:40:57 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a79fa0f-352d-b8e9-f60a-181960d054ec@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3tKY2V=dmOJjeiZxkqA3cH8_KF93NNbRnNU04e5Job2cw@mail.gmail.com>


在 2021/5/20 下午5:06, Yongji Xie 写道:
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 2:06 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:55:01PM +0800, Xie Yongji wrote:
>>> This series introduces a framework, which can be used to implement
>>> vDPA Devices in a userspace program. The work consist of two parts:
>>> control path forwarding and data path offloading.
>>>
>>> In the control path, the VDUSE driver will make use of message
>>> mechnism to forward the config operation from vdpa bus driver
>>> to userspace. Userspace can use read()/write() to receive/reply
>>> those control messages.
>>>
>>> In the data path, the core is mapping dma buffer into VDUSE
>>> daemon's address space, which can be implemented in different ways
>>> depending on the vdpa bus to which the vDPA device is attached.
>>>
>>> In virtio-vdpa case, we implements a MMU-based on-chip IOMMU driver with
>>> bounce-buffering mechanism to achieve that. And in vhost-vdpa case, the dma
>>> buffer is reside in a userspace memory region which can be shared to the
>>> VDUSE userspace processs via transferring the shmfd.
>>>
>>> The details and our user case is shown below:
>>>
>>> ------------------------    -------------------------   ----------------------------------------------
>>> |            Container |    |              QEMU(VM) |   |                               VDUSE daemon |
>>> |       ---------      |    |  -------------------  |   | ------------------------- ---------------- |
>>> |       |dev/vdx|      |    |  |/dev/vhost-vdpa-x|  |   | | vDPA device emulation | | block driver | |
>>> ------------+-----------     -----------+------------   -------------+----------------------+---------
>>>              |                           |                            |                      |
>>>              |                           |                            |                      |
>>> ------------+---------------------------+----------------------------+----------------------+---------
>>> |    | block device |           |  vhost device |            | vduse driver |          | TCP/IP |    |
>>> |    -------+--------           --------+--------            -------+--------          -----+----    |
>>> |           |                           |                           |                       |        |
>>> | ----------+----------       ----------+-----------         -------+-------                |        |
>>> | | virtio-blk driver |       |  vhost-vdpa driver |         | vdpa device |                |        |
>>> | ----------+----------       ----------+-----------         -------+-------                |        |
>>> |           |      virtio bus           |                           |                       |        |
>>> |   --------+----+-----------           |                           |                       |        |
>>> |                |                      |                           |                       |        |
>>> |      ----------+----------            |                           |                       |        |
>>> |      | virtio-blk device |            |                           |                       |        |
>>> |      ----------+----------            |                           |                       |        |
>>> |                |                      |                           |                       |        |
>>> |     -----------+-----------           |                           |                       |        |
>>> |     |  virtio-vdpa driver |           |                           |                       |        |
>>> |     -----------+-----------           |                           |                       |        |
>>> |                |                      |                           |    vdpa bus           |        |
>>> |     -----------+----------------------+---------------------------+------------           |        |
>>> |                                                                                        ---+---     |
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| NIC |------
>>>                                                                                           ---+---
>>>                                                                                              |
>>>                                                                                     ---------+---------
>>>                                                                                     | Remote Storages |
>>>                                                                                     -------------------
>>>
>>> We make use of it to implement a block device connecting to
>>> our distributed storage, which can be used both in containers and
>>> VMs. Thus, we can have an unified technology stack in this two cases.
>>>
>>> To test it with null-blk:
>>>
>>>    $ qemu-storage-daemon \
>>>        --chardev socket,id=charmonitor,path=/tmp/qmp.sock,server,nowait \
>>>        --monitor chardev=charmonitor \
>>>        --blockdev driver=host_device,cache.direct=on,aio=native,filename=/dev/nullb0,node-name=disk0 \
>>>        --export type=vduse-blk,id=test,node-name=disk0,writable=on,name=vduse-null,num-queues=16,queue-size=128
>>>
>>> The qemu-storage-daemon can be found at https://github.com/bytedance/qemu/tree/vduse
>>>
>>> To make the userspace VDUSE processes such as qemu-storage-daemon able to
>>> run unprivileged. We did some works on virtio driver to avoid trusting
>>> device, including:
>>>
>>>    - validating the device status:
>>>
>>>      * https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210517093428.670-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com/
>>>
>>>    - validating the used length:
>>>
>>>      * https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210517090836.533-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com/
>>>
>>>    - validating the device config:
>>>
>>>      * patch 4 ("virtio-blk: Add validation for block size in config space")
>>>
>>>    - validating the device response:
>>>
>>>      * patch 5 ("virtio_scsi: Add validation for residual bytes from response")
>>>
>>> Since I'm not sure if I missing something during auditing, especially on some
>>> virtio device drivers that I'm not familiar with, now we only support emualting
>>> a few vDPA devices by default, including: virtio-net device, virtio-blk device,
>>> virtio-scsi device and virtio-fs device. This limitation can help to reduce
>>> security risks.
>> I suspect there are a lot of assumptions even with these 4.
>> Just what are the security assumptions and guarantees here?


Note that VDUSE is not the only device that may suffer from this, 
here're two others:

1) Encrypted VM
2) Smart NICs


> The attack surface from a virtio device is limited with IOMMU enabled.
> It should be able to avoid security risk if we can validate all data
> such as config space and used length from device in device driver.
>
>> E.g. it seems pretty clear that exposing a malformed FS
>> to a random kernel config can cause untold mischief.
>>
>> Things like virtnet_send_command are also an easy way for
>> the device to DOS the kernel.


I think the virtnet_send_command() needs to use interrupt instead of 
polling.

Thanks


>> And before you try to add
>> an arbitrary timeout there - please don't,
>> the fix is moving things that must be guaranteed into kernel
>> and making things that are not guaranteed asynchronous.
>> Right now there are some things that happen with locks taken,
>> where if we don't wait for device we lose the ability to report failures
>> to userspace. E.g. all kind of netlink things are like this.
>> One can think of a bunch of ways to address this, this
>> needs to be discussed with the relevant subsystem maintainers.
>>
>>
>> If I were you I would start with one type of device, and as simple one
>> as possible.
>>
> Make sense to me. The virtio-blk device might be a good start. We
> already have some existing interface like NBD to do similar things.
>
>>
>>> When a sysadmin trusts the userspace process enough, it can relax
>>> the limitation with a 'allow_unsafe_device_emulation' module parameter.
>> That's not a great security interface. It's a global module specific knob
>> that just allows any userspace to emulate anything at all.
>> Coming up with a reasonable interface isn't going to be easy.
>> For now maybe just have people patch their kernels if they want to
>> move fast and break things.
>>
> OK. A reasonable interface can be added if we need it in the future.
>
> Thanks,
> Yongji


  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-25  6:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-17  9:55 [PATCH v7 00/12] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] iova: Export alloc_iova_fast() Xie Yongji
2021-05-26  2:36   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-26  2:43     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-05-20  6:18   ` Al Viro
2021-05-20  6:32     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] virtio-blk: Add validation for block size in config space Xie Yongji
2021-05-19 13:39   ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-19 14:42     ` Dan Carpenter
2021-05-20  5:25       ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-20  5:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-20  7:08           ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] virtio_scsi: Add validation for residual bytes from response Xie Yongji
2021-05-26  2:41   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-05-20  6:28   ` Al Viro
2021-05-20  7:03     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  4:12   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  4:57     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  5:00       ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  5:08         ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  5:40           ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  7:34             ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  8:41               ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  8:43                 ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27 10:14                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-28  1:33                     ` Jason Wang
2021-05-28  3:54                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-28  6:38                         ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27 13:17                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-28  2:31                   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-31  4:27                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-31  4:38                       ` Jason Wang
2021-05-31  6:24                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-31  4:56   ` Greg KH
2021-05-31  6:19     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-31  6:32       ` Greg KH
2021-05-31  7:13         ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-05-20  6:06 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-20  9:06   ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-25  6:40     ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-05-25  6:48       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-25  7:11         ` Jason Wang

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