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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 19:18:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <356ec193-5c89-4f7e-5e43-d600dff68cf9@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230908140757.haewcuwsumphcv7p@airbuntu>

On 08/09/2023 16:07, Qais Yousef wrote:
> On 09/08/23 09:40, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
>> On 08/09/2023 02:17, Qais Yousef wrote:
>>> On 09/07/23 15:08, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:31:56AM +0100, Qais Yousef wrote:

[...]

>>> And what was a high end A78 is a mid core today. So if you look at today's
>>> mobile world topology we really have a tiy+big+huge combination of cores. The
>>> bigs are called mids, but they're very capable. Fits capacity forces migration
>>> to the 'huge' cores too soon with that 80% margin. While the 80% might be too
>>> small for the tiny ones as some workloads really struggle there if they hang on
>>> for too long. It doesn't help that these systems ship with 4ms tick. Something
>>> more to consider changing I guess.
>>
>> If this is the problem then you could simply make the margin (headroom)
>> a function of cpu_capacity_orig?
> 
> I don't see what you mean. instead of capacity_of() but keep the 80%?
> 
> Again, I could be delusional and misunderstanding everything, but what I really
> see fits_capacity() is about is misfit detection. But a task is not really
> misfit until it actually has a util above the capacity of the CPU. Now due to
> implementation details there can be a delay between the task crossing this
> capacity and being able to move it. Which what I believe this headroom is
> trying to achieve.
> 
> I think we can better define this by tying this headroom to the worst case
> scenario it takes to actually move this misfit task to the right CPU. If it can
> continue to run without being impacted with this delay and crossing the
> capacity of the CPU it is on, then we should not trigger misfit IMO.


Instead of:

  fits_capacity(unsigned long util, unsigned long capacity)

      return approximate_util_avg(util, TICK_USEC) < capacity;

just make 1280 in:

  #define fits_capacity(cap, max) ((cap) * 1280 < (max) * 1024)

dependent on cpu's capacity_orig or the capacity diff to the next higher
capacity_orig.

Typical example today: {little-medium-big capacity_orig} = {128, 896, 1024}

896÷128 = 7

1024/896 = 1.14

to achieve higher margin on little and lower margin on medium.

[...]


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-12 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-27 23:31 [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate the future util_avg value Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 12:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:19     ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:12       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-10 19:58         ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-13 17:22           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-16 19:49             ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-16 19:52               ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate runtime to reach given util Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 12:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 20:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:38       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-15  9:15   ` Hongyan Xia
2023-09-16 19:56     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Remove magic margin in fits_capacity() Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 14:38   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:45     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic 1.25 headroom from apply_dvfs_headroom() Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:23     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/schedutil: Add a new tunable to dictate response time Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 21:13   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:52     ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:25     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/pelt: Introduce PELT multiplier Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] cpufreq: Change default transition delay to 2ms Qais Yousef
2023-09-06  9:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins Lukasz Luba
2023-09-06 21:18   ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07  7:48     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 11:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:06         ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 13:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:33             ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 13:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:45                 ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-08 12:51                   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-09-12 11:57                     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-10 18:20         ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 18:14       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 13:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:57       ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 14:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 14:42           ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 20:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:51               ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-12 14:01                 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-09-13  9:53                   ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-12 14:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:06             ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 18:46       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08  0:17   ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08  7:40     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-08 14:07       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-12 17:18         ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2023-09-16 19:38           ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08 10:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 13:33       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08 13:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 13:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 14:11           ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 21:17         ` Qais Yousef

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