From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
"Adam J. Richter" <adam@yggdrasil.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] generic device DMA implementation
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:29:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DEF7EF9.8090306@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021205060458.GF1500@zax.zax>
David Gibson wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:41:31PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 01:38:47PM +1100, David Gibson wrote:
>>
>>>It seems the "try to get consistent memory, but otherwise give me
>>>inconsistent" is only useful on machines which:
>>> (1) Are not fully consisent, BUT
>>> (2) Can get consistent memory without disabling the cache, BUT
>>> (3) Not very much of it, so you might run out.
>>>
>>>The point is, there has to be an advantage to using consistent memory
>>>if it is available AND the possibility of it not being available.
>>
>>Agreed here. Add to this
>>
>>(4) quite silly from an API taste perspective.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Otherwise, drivers which absolutely need consistent memory, no matter
>>>the cost, should use consistent_alloc(), all other drivers just use
>>>kmalloc() (or whatever) then use the DMA flushing functions which
>>>compile to NOPs on platforms with consistent memory.
>>
>>Ug. This is travelling backwards in time.
>>
>>kmalloc is not intended to allocate memory for DMA'ing. I (and others)
>>didn't spend all that time converting drivers to the PCI DMA API just to
>>see all that work undone.
>
>
> But if there aren't any consistency constraints on the memory, why not
> get it with kmalloc(). There are two approaches to handling DMA on a
> not-fully-consistent machine:
> 1) Allocate the memory specially so that it is consistent
> 2) Use any old memory, and make sure we have explicit cache
> frobbing.
For me it's an API issue. kmalloc does not return DMA'able memory.
If "your way" is acceptable to most, then at the very least I would want
#define get_any_old_dmaable_memory kmalloc
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-12-05 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-12-04 17:47 [RFC] generic device DMA implementation James Bottomley
2002-12-04 18:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-04 19:36 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-04 21:19 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:21 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 5:44 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-04 21:46 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 2:31 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 3:06 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 5:02 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-05 15:12 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 0:47 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 0:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 1:44 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 2:38 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 3:13 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 5:05 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 15:03 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-05 23:54 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 3:17 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 6:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 6:43 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 23:44 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 2:23 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 3:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 6:04 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 16:29 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-12-05 23:59 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 11:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-12-05 11:35 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 15:24 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 0:01 ` David Gibson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-18 3:01 [RFT][PATCH] " James Bottomley
2002-12-18 3:13 ` David Mosberger
2002-12-28 18:14 ` Russell King
2002-12-28 18:19 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-07 14:37 [RFC] " Adam J. Richter
2002-12-07 4:12 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:52 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:17 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 22:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:48 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 22:49 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 22:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-06 17:39 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 18:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 17:07 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:48 James Bottomley
2002-12-06 16:19 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:17 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:29 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:31 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 18:40 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 18:42 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 21:04 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-07 10:19 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 18:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-12-06 18:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 7:41 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 15:50 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-06 7:14 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2002-12-06 17:48 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-07 9:56 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 9:45 ` David Gibson
2002-12-07 11:26 ` Russell King
2002-12-08 5:28 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 6:15 David Brownell
2002-12-06 2:08 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 2:53 ` David Gibson
2002-12-06 4:03 ` David S. Miller
2002-12-05 20:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 17:49 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-06 0:08 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 12:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 12:44 ` Russell King
2002-12-05 12:13 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 11:57 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-06 0:06 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 5:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 3:02 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 6:15 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 1:21 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 2:40 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 2:49 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-05 6:12 ` David Gibson
2002-12-05 0:43 Adam J. Richter
2002-12-05 0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-05 2:02 ` James Bottomley
2002-11-09 4:51 [parisc-linux] Untested port of parisc_device to generic device interface Adam J. Richter
2002-11-09 5:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-11-09 6:03 ` Greg KH
2002-11-09 15:33 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 6:13 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 7:46 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13 7:52 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 8:02 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13 8:10 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 8:26 ` Miles Bader
2002-11-13 8:25 ` Greg KH
2002-11-13 9:05 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-11-13 20:13 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:21 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 20:37 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 11:59 ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2002-11-13 12:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2002-11-13 16:32 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2002-11-13 17:23 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 20:33 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:44 ` J.E.J. Bottomley
2002-11-13 21:42 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-13 20:12 ` Grant Grundler
2002-11-09 7:58 ` Marc Zyngier
2002-11-09 18:04 ` Grant Grundler
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