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From: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
To: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jgarzik@pobox.com, willy@w.ods.org, patmans@us.ibm.com,
	ltuikov@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	torvalds@osdl.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:32:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <433DBCF1.9030804@adaptec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10509301305070.27623-100000@master.linux-ide.org>

On 09/30/05 18:04, Andre Hedrick wrote:
> 
> No true, many of us could careless about credit list.

I wasn't talking about you.  They know who they are.

> Sometimes teaching others is a better way to bring them around to your
> view point while learning about their goals.  Since everyone/most agree
> your T10 knowledge is strong, others have pointed out you are savy enough
> to work around problems over fixing them in general.  Blah blah ...

Thank you Andre.

> Just show everyone why it can not work the "Linux Way" and defend the
> points logically.  Should the defense of it not be possible, then the
> point is lost.

I think I have.  All the references to T10, all the pictures
to the email you replied to which you deleted, all the words.

> SPECs become crap when organizations like STA with T10 make joining and
> voting on the technology under NCITS $10,000.00 annual membership.  This
> is old boys club rules, otherwise I would have joined and terrorized T10
> like I did to T13.  Exclusion breeds distrust.

Well, the T10.org reflector is open to everyone.

Of course voting-membership is expensive.  And it should be so.
They don't want every "Joe" (no offence to Joe or to LKML or LSML
participants) to participate.

If you are a voting member then you really have a reason, you really
know what you're talking about and voting for and you really are
serious. It means that you or your company care.
It also becoms quickly enough obvious if you know your stuff
after a meeting or two.

	Luben


  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-30 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 169+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-26 19:38 I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 21:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 22:51   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 23:14     ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 11:37       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 12:32         ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-09-28 14:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-30  1:56             ` Junio C Hamano
2005-09-28 16:27         ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-09-28 16:34           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 19:45           ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 20:56             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 22:35               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-28 23:22                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 23:29                   ` David S. Miller
2005-09-29  5:30                     ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29  7:24                       ` David S. Miller
2005-09-30  7:36                         ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 18:34                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 18:50                             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-30 19:08                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 21:31                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-30 22:10                                   ` Greg Freemyer
2005-09-30 22:19                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:54                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-01  4:58                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-10-03 15:08                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 14:04                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 22:14                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-01  0:33                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 14:18                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 14:26                                         ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx intothe kernel David Lang
2005-10-03 15:19                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 15:30                                             ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx intothekernel David Lang
2005-10-03 16:01                                         ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 20:45                             ` James Bottomley
2005-09-30 22:05                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-01  0:38                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 15:27                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:28                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 22:04                             ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 22:32                               ` Luben Tuikov [this message]
2005-09-30 23:57                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 14:15                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 15:57                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 16:23                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:48                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 19:03                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 19:32                                         ` Mike Christie
2005-10-03 20:15                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 19:10                                 ` Mike Christie
2005-09-30 18:51                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 14:33                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 14:48                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 15:50                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 16:54                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 18:25                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:15                   ` grundig
2005-09-29 15:17                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-09-29 16:33                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 16:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:58                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 17:03                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 18:09                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-09-29 17:13                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-09-29 18:39                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 22:43                           ` Joel Becker
2005-09-29 17:52                   ` John Stoffel
2005-09-29 19:20                     ` Bruce Ferrell
2005-09-28 22:43               ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 15:04                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:08                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:22                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 19:09                   ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 22:06                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 16:30         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-28 16:35           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28  2:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 20:36       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 21:00         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 22:10           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 23:04             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29  4:04               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-29  7:44                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-29 15:09                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:56                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 17:11                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 18:16                     ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-29 17:15                   ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 17:29                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 19:32                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-29 19:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-29 22:49                     ` jerome lacoste
2005-09-29 23:20                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 23:57                       ` Prasenjit Sarkar
2005-09-30  6:35                         ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30  0:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-30  1:25                         ` Hua Zhong
2005-09-30  2:42                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-09-30 19:12                           ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-30 19:38                             ` Bob Copeland
2005-09-30  7:29                         ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-30 14:23                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 16:26                           ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 16:47                             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 14:07                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30  5:31                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-30  6:52                     ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 19:59               ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 19:37       ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 19:22   ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-27 13:07 Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 13:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-27 15:01   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 15:53     ` James Bottomley
2005-09-27 19:35       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 20:34         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 21:44           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 22:01             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 23:03               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 23:32                 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-28  2:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28  0:28 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28  1:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 11:42 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 15:15 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 16:59 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 22:17 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-29 12:46 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:45 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-30  1:28 Martin Fouts
2005-09-30 17:07 Salyzyn, Mark
2005-09-30 17:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-01 23:55   ` Alan Cox
2005-10-03 16:17     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04  6:51       ` Andre Hedrick
2005-10-04 15:01         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 18:39 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 19:21   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 20:14     ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 20:22       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-09-30 21:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-01 17:46         ` Greg KH
2005-09-30 20:32       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 21:15         ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 21:40           ` Joel Becker
2005-09-30 22:01           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:42             ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 13:54               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:29                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 16:35                   ` Andrew Patterson
2005-10-03 16:39                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 19:16                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 21:26                       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-03 22:04                         ` Ryan Anderson
2005-10-03 22:56                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-03 23:22                             ` Al Viro
2005-10-04 13:55                             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-04 15:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-04 14:38                             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 14:54                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-04 15:19                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 15:26                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-04 15:40                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 15:46                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-10-04  6:30                           ` Andre Hedrick
2005-10-01  0:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-01  0:01   ` Jeff Garzik

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