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From: James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.co.uk>
To: Mitchell Blank Jr <mitch@sfgoth.com>
Cc: Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] TCP/IP Critical socket communication mechanism
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:38:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43A155AE.4050105@superbug.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051215015456.GC23393@gaz.sfgoth.com>

Mitchell Blank Jr wrote:
> James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
> 
>>When I had the conversation with Matt at KS, the problem we were trying 
>>to solve was "Memory pressure with network attached swap space".
> 
> 
> s/swap space/writable filesystems/
> 
> You can hit these problems even if you have no swap.  Too much of the
> memory becomes filled with dirty pages needing writeback -- then you lose
> your NFS server's ARP entry at the wrong moment.  If you have a local disk
> to swap to the machine will recover after a little bit of grinding, otherwise
> it's all pretty much over.
> 
> The big problem is that as long as there's network I/O coming in it's
> likely that pages you free (as the VM gets more and more desperate about
> dropping the few remaining non-dirty pages) will get used for sockets
> that AREN'T helping you recover RAM.  You really need to be able to tell
> the whole network stack "we're in really rough shape here; ignore all RX
> work unless it's going to help me get write ACKs back from my {NFS,iSCSI}
> server"  My understanding is that is what this patchset is trying to
> accomplish.
> 
> -Mitch
> 
> 

You are using the wrong hammer to crack your nut.
You should instead approach your problem of why the ARP entry gets lost.
For example, you could give as critical priority to your TCP session, 
but that still won't cure your ARP problem.
I would suggest that the best way to cure your arp problem, is to 
increase the time between arp cache refreshes.

James


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-15 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-14  9:12 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] TCP/IP Critical socket communication mechanism Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-14  9:22 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-14 17:55   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-14 18:41     ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-14 19:20       ` David Stevens
2005-12-15  3:39     ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-15  4:30       ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  5:02         ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-15  5:23           ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  5:48             ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-15  5:53             ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-15  5:56             ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-12-15  8:44               ` David Stevens
2005-12-15  8:58                 ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  9:27                   ` David Stevens
2005-12-15  5:42         ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-15  6:06           ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-12-15  7:37         ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-15  8:21           ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  8:35             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15  8:55             ` [RFC] Fine-grained memory priorities and PI Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15  9:04               ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-15 12:51                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15 13:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-15 12:45               ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-15 12:58                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15 13:02                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-16  2:09             ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] TCP/IP Critical socket communication mechanism Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-16 17:48               ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-12-16 18:38                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-21  9:11                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-21  9:39                     ` David Stevens
2005-12-14 20:16 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-14 20:25   ` Ben Greear
2005-12-14 20:49   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-12-14 21:55     ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-14 22:09       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-12-14 22:39         ` Ben Greear
2005-12-14 23:42           ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-15  1:54     ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2005-12-15 11:38       ` James Courtier-Dutton [this message]
2005-12-15 11:47         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 13:00           ` jamal
2005-12-15 13:07             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 13:32               ` jamal
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     [not found] ` <5jWYp-3K1-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <5jXhZ-4kj-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-12-16  8:35     ` Bodo Eggert

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