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From: David Collier-Brown <davecb@sun.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Libcg Devel Mailing List <libcg-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <pzijlstr@redhat.com>,
	Kazunaga Ikeno <k-ikeno@ak.jp.nec.com>,
	Morton Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@redhat.com>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] How to handle the rules engine for cgroups
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:44:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <487B665B.9080205@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080714135719.GE16673@redhat.com>

Vivek Goyal wrote:
> If admin has decided to group applications and has written the rules for
> it then applications should not know anything about grouping. So I think
> application writing an script for being placed into the right group should
> be out of question. Now how does an admin write a wrapper around existing
> application without breaking anything else.

In the Solaris world, processes are placed into cgroups (projects) by
one of two mechanisms:

1) inheritance, with everything I create in my existing project.
   To get this started, there is a mechanism under login/getty/whatever 
   reading the /etc/projects file and, for example, tossing user davecb 
   into a "user.davecb" project.

2) explicit placement with newtask, which starts a program or moves
   a process into a project/cgroup

I have a "bg" project which I use for limiting resource consumption of
background jobs, and a background command which either starts or moves
jobs, thusly:

 case "$1" in
 [0-9]*) # It's a pid
         newtask -p bg -c $1
         ;;
  *) # It's a command-line
         newtask -p bg "$@" &
         ;;
  esac

A rules engine would be more useful for managing workloads once
they're assigned, as IBM does on the mainframe with WLM and goal-directed
resource management. (They're brilliant in this area, by the way, so
I'd be inclined to steal ideas from them  (;-))

--dave
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-14 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-01 19:11 [RFC] How to handle the rules engine for cgroups Vivek Goyal
2008-07-02  9:33 ` Kazunaga Ikeno
2008-07-03  1:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-03 15:54   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-04  0:34     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-04  3:17     ` Li Zefan
2008-07-08  9:35     ` Balbir Singh
2008-07-08 13:45       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10  9:23     ` Paul Menage
2008-07-10 14:30       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10 15:42         ` Dhaval Giani
2008-07-10 16:51         ` Paul Menage
2008-07-10 14:48       ` Rik van Riel
2008-07-10 15:40         ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10 15:56           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-10 17:25             ` Rik van Riel
2008-07-10 17:39               ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-10 18:41                 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10 22:29                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-11  0:55           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-14 13:57             ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-14 14:44               ` David Collier-Brown [this message]
2008-07-14 15:21                 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-17  7:05                   ` Kazunaga Ikeno
2008-07-17 13:47                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                       ` <20080717170717.GA3718@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2008-07-18  8:12                         ` [Libcg-devel] " Dhaval Giani
2008-07-18 20:12                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-17 10:33                   ` [RFC] [PATCH -mm] cgroup: uid-based rules to add processes efficiently in the right cgroup Andrea Righi
2008-08-18 12:35                     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-19 14:35                       ` righi.andrea
2008-08-18 21:05                     ` Paul Menage
2008-08-19 12:57                       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-26  0:54                         ` Paul Menage
2008-08-26 13:41                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-26 14:35                             ` Balbir Singh
2008-08-26 15:04                               ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-26 16:00                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-26 16:32                                   ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-26 16:08                               ` Vivek Goyal
2008-09-04 18:25                             ` Paul Menage
2008-08-19 15:12                       ` righi.andrea
2008-08-26  0:55                         ` Paul Menage
2008-07-14 15:07             ` Re: [RFC] How to handle the rules engine for cgroups kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-07-10  9:07 ` Paul Menage
2008-07-10 14:06   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10 16:41     ` Paul Menage
2008-07-10 17:19       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10 17:27         ` [Libcg-devel] " Dhaval Giani
2008-07-10 14:33   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-10 16:46     ` Paul Menage
2008-07-10 17:18       ` [Libcg-devel] " Dhaval Giani
2008-07-10 17:30         ` Paul Menage
2008-07-10 17:44           ` Dhaval Giani
2008-07-10 15:49   ` Dhaval Giani
2008-07-18  9:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-07-18 15:46   ` Paul Menage
2008-07-18 16:39   ` Balbir Singh
2008-07-18 18:55     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-07-18 23:05   ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-07-18 23:10   ` kamezawa.hiroyu

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