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From: Shea Levy <shea@shealevy.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvachev@gmail.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait()
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:33:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <507710EA.1070900@shealevy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwi2F1PYv39FxTKz1zu2tFqVDSAAxeSRW1BVK+==5H-6g@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/02/2012 06:37 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvachev@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not kernel developer and probably my opinion would be a little
>> naive, but here it is.
>>
>> Please, make the kernel load firmware from the filesystem on its own.
> We probably should do that, not just for firmware, but for modules
> too. It would also simplify the whole "built-in firmware" thing
>
> Afaik, the only thing udev really does is to lok in
> /lib/firmware/updates and /lib/firmware for the file, load it, and
> pass it back to the kernel. We could make the kernel try to do it
> manually first, and only fall back to udev if that fails.
>
> Afaik, nobody ever does anything else anyway.
>

FWIW (and probably that's not much), the NixOS[0] distro doesn't 
currently use /lib/firmware. There is no /lib directory by default on 
NixOS, instead we create a new symlink tree representing the current 
system on each system change and symlink /run/current-system to that 
tree. We currently build udev/systemd with the 
--with-firmware-path=/run/current-system/firmware configuration-time 
option, but we also patch module-init-tools and kmod to respect the 
$MODULE_DIR env var and may do the same for firmware in the future. The 
way we do things has significant advantages (or at least we like to 
think so), but we already have exceptions for /bin/sh and /usr/bin/env, 
so I suspect we'll probably add in /lib/firmware if this functionality 
moves into the kernel.

[0]: https://nixos.org/

Cheers,
Shea Levy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-11 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-10-02 13:03             ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-02 16:33               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-02 21:03                 ` Ivan Kalvachev
2012-10-02 22:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:15                     ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-11 18:33                     ` Shea Levy [this message]
2012-10-12  1:55                       ` Ming Lei
2012-10-02 22:12                 ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:23                   ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03  0:01                       ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03  0:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04 14:36                           ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03 15:13                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 16:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:00                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:09                           ` Al Viro
2012-10-03 17:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:26                               ` Al Viro
2012-10-04  0:57                                 ` udev breakages - Nix
2012-10-04 10:35                                   ` Nix
2012-10-03 19:50                               ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Greg KH
2012-10-03 20:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 21:04                                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:05                                   ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 21:18                                     ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:45                                       ` Alan Cox
2012-10-03 21:58                                   ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-03 22:17                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:48                                   ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 22:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04  2:39                                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-04 17:29                                         ` udev breakages - Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 17:42                                           ` Greg KH
2012-10-04 19:17                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-10-10  3:19                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2012-10-10 16:08                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-10-11  3:32                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 13:39                                       ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Josh Boyer
2012-10-04 13:58                                         ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 22:53                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2012-10-03 21:10                                 ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 19:48                           ` Access files from kernel Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-10-03 20:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                           ` <CACVXFVNTZmG+zTQNi9mCn9ynsCjkM084TmHKDcYYggtqLfhqNQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-04  1:42                             ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 14:12                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 14:36                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 14:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 16:57                     ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 17:24                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 18:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:46                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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2012-10-04 14:50           ` Kurt H Maier
2012-10-05  8:03             ` Emmanuel Benisty
2012-10-05 20:17               ` david
2012-10-05 21:43                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

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