From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Walls <awalls@md.metrocast.net>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Kay Sievers <kay@redhat.com>,
Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
Michael Krufky <mkrufky@linuxtv.org>,
Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvachev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: udev breakages -
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:29:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zk42tab4.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPXgP1189dn=vHqWrp1JgHs7Yv=BP3dbLyT3zb31Sp8mcEhAvg@mail.gmail.com> (Kay Sievers's message of "Thu, 4 Oct 2012 04:39:57 +0200")
Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org> writes:
> If that works out, it would a bit like devtmpfs which turned out to be
> very simple, reliable and absolutely the right thing we could do to
> primarily mange /dev content.
ROFL.
There are still quite a few interesting cases that devtmpfs does not
even think about supporting. Cases that were reported when devtmpfs was
being reviewed.
Additionally the devtmpfs maintainership has not dealt with legitimate
concerns any better than this firmware issue has been dealt with. I
still haven't even hear a productive suggestion back on the hole
/dev/ptmx mess.
As it happens devtmpfs wound up being a userspace process that happens
to reside in the kernel and call mknod. How it makes sense two layers
of messaging and device management instead of just one I don't know.
Certainly I would not crow about that being a success of anything except
passing the buck.
There is debacle written all over the user space interface for dealing
with devices right now.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-04 17:30 UTC|newest]
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2012-10-02 13:03 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-02 16:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-02 21:03 ` Ivan Kalvachev
2012-10-02 22:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:15 ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-11 18:33 ` Shea Levy
2012-10-12 1:55 ` Ming Lei
2012-10-02 22:12 ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:23 ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 0:01 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03 0:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04 14:36 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03 15:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 16:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:09 ` Al Viro
2012-10-03 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:26 ` Al Viro
2012-10-04 0:57 ` udev breakages - Nix
2012-10-04 10:35 ` Nix
2012-10-03 19:50 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Greg KH
2012-10-03 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 21:04 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:05 ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 21:18 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:45 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-03 21:58 ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-03 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:48 ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 22:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04 2:39 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-04 17:29 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2012-10-04 17:42 ` udev breakages - Greg KH
2012-10-04 19:17 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-10 3:19 ` Felipe Contreras
2012-10-10 16:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-10-11 3:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 13:39 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Josh Boyer
2012-10-04 13:58 ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 22:53 ` Stephen Rothwell
2012-10-03 21:10 ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 19:48 ` Access files from kernel Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-10-03 20:32 ` Linus Torvalds
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2012-10-04 1:42 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 14:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 14:36 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 14:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 16:57 ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 17:24 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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2012-10-04 14:50 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-10-05 8:03 ` Emmanuel Benisty
2012-10-05 20:17 ` david
2012-10-05 21:43 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-10-06 19:09 ` udev breakages - Nix
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