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From: Nix <nix@esperi.org.uk>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: udev breakages -
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:35:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ipaq1q54.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pq4z12c1.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Thu, 04 Oct 2012 01:57:18 +0100")

[Kay removed because I don't like emailing arguable flamebait directly
to the person flamed.]

On 4 Oct 2012, nix@esperi.org.uk stated:

> By udev 175 I, and a lot of other people, had simply stopped upgrading
> udev entirely on the grounds that we could no longer tolerate the
> uncertainty over whether our systems would boot every time we upgraded
> it, for no discernible benefit. Yes, all the incompatible changes are
> (or were, as of udev 175) called out in the release notes -- but there
> are so *many* of them, it's easy to miss one. And they all seem so
> completely unnecessary, and their implications for your system
> configuration grow more and more invasive all the time.

In the bright light of day I realize that this post is not as off-topic
for this thread as it appears. This is all of a piece. The udev
maintainer insists that everyone else adapt to udev's demands: before
now, it has been users, sysadmins, and userspace who must adapt, but now
is is pushing its demands in the other direction as well: this thread is
the result.

-- 
NULL && (void)

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-04 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1340285798-8322-1-git-send-email-mchehab@redhat.com>
     [not found] ` <4FE37194.30407@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <4FE8B8BC.3020702@iki.fi>
     [not found]     ` <4FE8C4C4.1050901@redhat.com>
     [not found]       ` <4FE8CED5.104@redhat.com>
     [not found]         ` <20120625223306.GA2764@kroah.com>
     [not found]           ` <4FE9169D.5020300@redhat.com>
2012-10-02 13:03             ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-02 16:33               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-02 21:03                 ` Ivan Kalvachev
2012-10-02 22:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:15                     ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-11 18:33                     ` Shea Levy
2012-10-12  1:55                       ` Ming Lei
2012-10-02 22:12                 ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:23                   ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03  0:01                       ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03  0:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04 14:36                           ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03 15:13                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 16:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:00                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:09                           ` Al Viro
2012-10-03 17:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:26                               ` Al Viro
2012-10-04  0:57                                 ` udev breakages - Nix
2012-10-04 10:35                                   ` Nix [this message]
2012-10-03 19:50                               ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Greg KH
2012-10-03 20:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 21:04                                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:05                                   ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 21:18                                     ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:45                                       ` Alan Cox
2012-10-03 21:58                                   ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-03 22:17                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:48                                   ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 22:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04  2:39                                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-04 17:29                                         ` udev breakages - Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 17:42                                           ` Greg KH
2012-10-04 19:17                                             ` Alan Cox
2012-10-10  3:19                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2012-10-10 16:08                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-10-11  3:32                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 13:39                                       ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Josh Boyer
2012-10-04 13:58                                         ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 22:53                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2012-10-03 21:10                                 ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 19:48                           ` Access files from kernel Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-10-03 20:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                           ` <CACVXFVNTZmG+zTQNi9mCn9ynsCjkM084TmHKDcYYggtqLfhqNQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-04  1:42                             ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 14:12                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 14:36                   ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 14:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 16:57                     ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 17:24                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 18:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:46                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found] <fa.90I1W/wmSTgRFXVG67o7Pp3+rKA@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.Oszo+r/ZqdTxC2FHqqg+CRVMJ5Y@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.CoxzZZId9dJONv353c+pFG/HO8E@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.ixJ/7D7BnMK8xp7CwikX7jbmnKU@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa./ubRQE7P/T+ateohnOKdDxOFhL4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.lpiFTa5CtuIkUf2Z5eJ0YlsNwYI@ifi.uio.no>
2012-10-04 14:50           ` Kurt H Maier
2012-10-05  8:03             ` Emmanuel Benisty
2012-10-05 20:17               ` david
2012-10-05 21:43                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-10-06 19:09                   ` udev breakages - Nix

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