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From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Sargun Dhillon <sargun@sargun.me>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: lsm naming dilemma. Re: [RFC v3 07/22] landlock: Handle file comparisons
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:58:20 +0200
Message-ID: <57E16AAC.8000101@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMp4zn8_GhvL5gGLrkADVSTP9Z4VO78bXtX8wbzFSa1P7j-yfA@mail.gmail.com>

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On 20/09/2016 03:10, Sargun Dhillon wrote:
> I'm fine giving up the Checmate name. Landlock seems easy enough to
> Google. I haven't gotten a chance to look through the entire patchset
> yet, but it does seem like they are somewhat similar.

Excellent! I'm looking forward for your review.


> 
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:25:10PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
>>>>> Agreed. With this RFC, the Checmate features (i.e. network helpers)
>>>>> should be able to sit on top of Landlock.
>>>>
>>>> I think neither of them should be called fancy names for no technical reason.
>>>> We will have only one bpf based lsm. That's it and it doesn't
>>>> need an obscure name. Directory name can be security/bpf/..stuff.c
>>>
>>> I disagree on an LSM named "BPF". I first started with the "seccomp LSM"
>>> name (first RFC) but I later realized that it is confusing because
>>> seccomp is associated to its syscall and the underlying features. Same
>>> thing goes for BPF. It is also artificially hard to grep on a name too
>>> used in the kernel source tree.
>>> Making an association between the generic eBPF mechanism and a security
>>> centric approach (i.e. LSM) seems a bit reductive (for BPF). Moreover,
>>> the seccomp interface [1] can still be used.
>>
>> agree with above.
>>
>>> Landlock is a nice name to depict a sandbox as an enclave (i.e. a
>>> landlocked country/state). I want to keep this name, which is simple,
>>> express the goal of Landlock nicely and is comparable to other sandbox
>>> mechanisms as Seatbelt or Pledge.
>>> Landlock should not be confused with the underlying eBPF implementation.
>>> Landlock could use more than only eBPF in the future and eBPF could be
>>> used in other LSM as well.
>>
>> there will not be two bpf based LSMs.
>> Therefore unless you can convince Sargun to give up his 'checmate' name,
>> nothing goes in.
>> The features you both need are 90% the same, so they must be done
>> as part of single LSM whatever you both agree to call it.
>>
> 


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Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-14  7:23 [RFC v3 00/22] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:23 ` [RFC v3 01/22] landlock: Add Kconfig Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:23 ` [RFC v3 02/22] bpf: Move u64_to_ptr() to BPF headers and inline it Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:23 ` [RFC v3 03/22] bpf,landlock: Add a new arraymap type to deal with (Landlock) handles Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:51   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 23:22     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 23:28       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 21:51         ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:53   ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 22:02     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:23 ` [RFC v3 04/22] bpf: Set register type according to is_valid_access() Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-19 14:54   ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-19 15:10     ` Daniel Borkmann
2016-09-14  7:23 ` [RFC v3 05/22] bpf,landlock: Add eBPF program subtype and is_valid_subtype() verifier Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-19 15:01   ` Thomas Graf
2016-09-14  7:23 ` [RFC v3 06/22] landlock: Add LSM hooks Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-19 15:19   ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-19 22:42     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 07/22] landlock: Handle file comparisons Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 19:07   ` Jann Horn
2016-09-14 22:39     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:06   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 23:02     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 23:24       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 21:25         ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-20  0:12           ` lsm naming dilemma. " Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-20  1:10             ` Sargun Dhillon
2016-09-20 16:58               ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2016-10-03 23:30   ` Kees Cook
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 08/22] seccomp: Fix documentation for struct seccomp_filter Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 09/22] seccomp: Move struct seccomp_filter in seccomp.h Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 10/22] seccomp: Split put_seccomp_filter() with put_seccomp() Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 11/22] seccomp,landlock: Handle Landlock hooks per process hierarchy Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-14 22:34     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:52       ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 21:05         ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 12/22] bpf: Cosmetic change for bpf_prog_attach() Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 13/22] bpf/cgroup: Replace struct bpf_prog with union bpf_object Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 14/22] bpf/cgroup: Make cgroup_bpf_update() return an error code Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:16   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 15/22] bpf/cgroup: Move capability check Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 16/22] bpf/cgroup,landlock: Handle Landlock hooks per cgroup Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:43   ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 20:58     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-05 21:25       ` Kees Cook
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 17/22] cgroup: Add access check for cgroup_get_from_fd() Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 22:06   ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 18/22] cgroup,landlock: Add CGRP_NO_NEW_PRIVS to handle unprivileged hooks Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-14 22:11     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-15  1:25       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15  2:19         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15  2:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15  4:00             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15  4:08               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15  4:31                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15  4:38                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15  4:48                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 19:41                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-20  4:37                         ` Sargun Dhillon
2016-09-20 17:02                           ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-15 19:35         ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 19/22] landlock: Add interrupted origin Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-14 22:14     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-15  1:19       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-10-03 23:46         ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 21:01           ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 20/22] landlock: Add update and debug access flags Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 21/22] bpf,landlock: Add optional skb pointer in the Landlock context Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:20   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 22:46     ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14  7:24 ` [RFC v3 22/22] samples/landlock: Add sandbox example Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:24   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 14:36 ` [RFC v3 00/22] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing David Laight

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