From: Sargun Dhillon <sargun@sargun.me>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
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Subject: Re: lsm naming dilemma. Re: [RFC v3 07/22] landlock: Handle file comparisons
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:10:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMp4zn8_GhvL5gGLrkADVSTP9Z4VO78bXtX8wbzFSa1P7j-yfA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160920001215.GA91808@ast-mbp.thefacebook.com>
I'm fine giving up the Checmate name. Landlock seems easy enough to
Google. I haven't gotten a chance to look through the entire patchset
yet, but it does seem like they are somewhat similar.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:25:10PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
>> >> Agreed. With this RFC, the Checmate features (i.e. network helpers)
>> >> should be able to sit on top of Landlock.
>> >
>> > I think neither of them should be called fancy names for no technical reason.
>> > We will have only one bpf based lsm. That's it and it doesn't
>> > need an obscure name. Directory name can be security/bpf/..stuff.c
>>
>> I disagree on an LSM named "BPF". I first started with the "seccomp LSM"
>> name (first RFC) but I later realized that it is confusing because
>> seccomp is associated to its syscall and the underlying features. Same
>> thing goes for BPF. It is also artificially hard to grep on a name too
>> used in the kernel source tree.
>> Making an association between the generic eBPF mechanism and a security
>> centric approach (i.e. LSM) seems a bit reductive (for BPF). Moreover,
>> the seccomp interface [1] can still be used.
>
> agree with above.
>
>> Landlock is a nice name to depict a sandbox as an enclave (i.e. a
>> landlocked country/state). I want to keep this name, which is simple,
>> express the goal of Landlock nicely and is comparable to other sandbox
>> mechanisms as Seatbelt or Pledge.
>> Landlock should not be confused with the underlying eBPF implementation.
>> Landlock could use more than only eBPF in the future and eBPF could be
>> used in other LSM as well.
>
> there will not be two bpf based LSMs.
> Therefore unless you can convince Sargun to give up his 'checmate' name,
> nothing goes in.
> The features you both need are 90% the same, so they must be done
> as part of single LSM whatever you both agree to call it.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-20 1:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-14 7:23 [RFC v3 00/22] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:23 ` [RFC v3 01/22] landlock: Add Kconfig Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:23 ` [RFC v3 02/22] bpf: Move u64_to_ptr() to BPF headers and inline it Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:23 ` [RFC v3 03/22] bpf,landlock: Add a new arraymap type to deal with (Landlock) handles Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:51 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 23:22 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 23:28 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 21:51 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:53 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 22:02 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:23 ` [RFC v3 04/22] bpf: Set register type according to is_valid_access() Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-19 14:54 ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-19 15:10 ` Daniel Borkmann
2016-09-14 7:23 ` [RFC v3 05/22] bpf,landlock: Add eBPF program subtype and is_valid_subtype() verifier Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-19 15:01 ` Thomas Graf
2016-09-14 7:23 ` [RFC v3 06/22] landlock: Add LSM hooks Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-19 15:19 ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-19 22:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 07/22] landlock: Handle file comparisons Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 19:07 ` Jann Horn
2016-09-14 22:39 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:06 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 23:02 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 23:24 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 21:25 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-20 0:12 ` lsm naming dilemma. " Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-20 1:10 ` Sargun Dhillon [this message]
2016-09-20 16:58 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:30 ` Kees Cook
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 08/22] seccomp: Fix documentation for struct seccomp_filter Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 09/22] seccomp: Move struct seccomp_filter in seccomp.h Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 10/22] seccomp: Split put_seccomp_filter() with put_seccomp() Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 11/22] seccomp,landlock: Handle Landlock hooks per process hierarchy Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-14 22:34 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:52 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 21:05 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 12/22] bpf: Cosmetic change for bpf_prog_attach() Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 13/22] bpf/cgroup: Replace struct bpf_prog with union bpf_object Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 14/22] bpf/cgroup: Make cgroup_bpf_update() return an error code Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 15/22] bpf/cgroup: Move capability check Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 16/22] bpf/cgroup,landlock: Handle Landlock hooks per cgroup Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-03 23:43 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 20:58 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-10-05 21:25 ` Kees Cook
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 17/22] cgroup: Add access check for cgroup_get_from_fd() Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 22:06 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 18/22] cgroup,landlock: Add CGRP_NO_NEW_PRIVS to handle unprivileged hooks Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-14 22:11 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-15 1:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15 2:19 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 2:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15 4:00 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 4:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15 4:31 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 4:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-15 4:48 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-15 19:41 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-20 4:37 ` Sargun Dhillon
2016-09-20 17:02 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-15 19:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 19/22] landlock: Add interrupted origin Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 18:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-14 22:14 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-15 1:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-10-03 23:46 ` Kees Cook
2016-10-05 21:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 20/22] landlock: Add update and debug access flags Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 21/22] bpf,landlock: Add optional skb pointer in the Landlock context Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:20 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 22:46 ` Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 7:24 ` [RFC v3 22/22] samples/landlock: Add sandbox example Mickaël Salaün
2016-09-14 21:24 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-09-14 14:36 ` [RFC v3 00/22] Landlock LSM: Unprivileged sandboxing David Laight
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