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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	Sai Praneeth Prakhya <sai.praneeth.prakhya@intel.com>,
	Ravi V Shankar <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 09/17] x86/split_lock: Handle #AC exception for split lock
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:16:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57f40083-9063-5d41-f06d-fa1ae4c78ec6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910161142560.2046@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On 16/10/19 11:47, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Just never advertise split-lock
>> detection to guests.  If the host has enabled split-lock detection,
>> trap #AC and forward it to the host handler---which would disable
>> split lock detection globally and reenter the guest.
> 
> Which completely defeats the purpose.

Yes it does.  But Sean's proposal, as I understand it, leads to the
guest receiving #AC when it wasn't expecting one.  So for an old guest,
as soon as the guest kernel happens to do a split lock, it gets an
unexpected #AC and crashes and burns.  And then, after much googling and
gnashing of teeth, people proceed to disable split lock detection.

(Old guests are the common case: you're a cloud provider and your
customers run old stuff; it's a workstation and you want to play that
game that requires an old version of Windows; etc.).

To save them the googling and gnashing of teeth, I guess we can do a
pr_warn_ratelimited on the first split lock encountered by a guest.  (It
has to be ratelimited because userspace could create an arbitrary amount
of guests to spam the kernel logs).  But the end result is the same,
split lock detection is disabled by the user.

The first alternative I thought of was:

- Remove KVM loading of MSR_TEST_CTRL, i.e. KVM *never* writes the CPU's
  actual MSR_TEST_CTRL.  KVM still emulates MSR_TEST_CTRL so that the
  guest can do WRMSR and handle its own #AC faults, but KVM doesn't
  change the value in hardware.

- trap #AC if the guest encounters a split lock while detection is
  disabled, and then disable split-lock detection in the host.

But I discarded it because it still doesn't do anything for malicious
guests, which can trigger #AC as they prefer.  And it makes things
_worse_ for sane guests, because they think split-lock detection is
enabled but they become vulnerable as soon as there is only one
malicious guest on the same machine.

In all of these cases, the common final result is that split-lock
detection is disabled on the host.  So might as well go with the
simplest one and not pretend to virtualize something that (without core
scheduling) is obviously not virtualizable.

Thanks,

Paolo

> 1) Sane guest
> 
> Guest kernel has #AC handler and you basically prevent it from
> detecting malicious user space and killing it. You also prevent #AC
> detection in the guest kernel which limits debugability.
> 
> 2) Malicious guest
> 
> Trigger #AC to disable the host detection and then carry out the DoS 
> attack.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-16 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-18 22:41 [PATCH v9 00/17] x86/split_lock: Enable split lock detection Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 01/17] x86/common: Align cpu_caps_cleared and cpu_caps_set to unsigned long Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 02/17] drivers/net/b44: Align pwol_mask to unsigned long for better performance Fenghua Yu
2019-06-24 15:12   ` David Laight
2019-06-24 18:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 03/17] x86/split_lock: Align x86_capability to unsigned long to avoid split locked access Fenghua Yu
2019-06-24 15:12   ` David Laight
2019-06-25 23:54     ` Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 19:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 04/17] x86/msr-index: Define MSR_IA32_CORE_CAP and split lock detection bit Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 05/17] x86/cpufeatures: Enumerate MSR_IA32_CORE_CAP Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 06/17] x86/split_lock: Enumerate split lock detection by MSR_IA32_CORE_CAP Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 07/17] x86/split_lock: Enumerate split lock detection on Icelake mobile processor Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 08/17] x86/split_lock: Define MSR TEST_CTL register Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 09/17] x86/split_lock: Handle #AC exception for split lock Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 20:20   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-26 20:36     ` Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 21:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-25 18:09         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16  6:58           ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16  9:29           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 15:59             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16  9:40           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16  9:47             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 10:16               ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2019-10-16 11:23                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 11:26                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 13:13                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 14:43                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 15:37                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 16:25                           ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 16:38                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-17 12:29                           ` [RFD] x86/split_lock: Request to Intel Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 17:23                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-17 21:31                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 23:38                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-17 23:28                             ` Luck, Tony
2019-10-18 10:45                               ` David Laight
2019-10-18 21:03                                 ` hpa
2019-10-18  2:36                             ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-18  9:02                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 10:20                                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-18 10:43                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-10-16 11:49                 ` [PATCH v9 09/17] x86/split_lock: Handle #AC exception for split lock Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 11:58                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 13:51                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-16 14:08                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 14:14                         ` David Laight
2019-10-16 15:03                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-16 15:41                         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16 15:43                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 16:23                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-16 17:42                               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-10-17  1:23                                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-10-21 13:06                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-21 13:03                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-21 13:02                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-10-16 14:50                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 10/17] kvm/x86: Emulate MSR IA32_CORE_CAPABILITY Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 11/17] kvm/vmx: Emulate MSR TEST_CTL Fenghua Yu
2019-06-27  2:24   ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-06-27  7:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-27  7:58       ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-06-27 12:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-27 12:22           ` Xiaoyao Li
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 12/17] x86/split_lock: Enable split lock detection by default Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 13/17] x86/split_lock: Disable split lock detection by kernel parameter "nosplit_lock_detect" Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 20:34   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-26 20:37     ` Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 14/17] x86/split_lock: Add a debugfs interface to enable/disable split lock detection during run time Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 21:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 15/17] x86/split_lock: Add documentation for split lock detection interface Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 21:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 16/17] x86/split_lock: Reorganize few header files in order to call WARN_ON_ONCE() in atomic bit ops Fenghua Yu
2019-06-18 22:41 ` [PATCH v9 17/17] x86/split_lock: Warn on unaligned address in atomic bit operations Fenghua Yu
2019-06-26 22:00   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-16 22:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] Fix some 4-byte vs. 8-byte alignment issues Tony Luck
2019-09-16 22:39   ` [PATCH 1/3] x86/common: Align cpu_caps_cleared and cpu_caps_set to unsigned long Tony Luck
2019-11-15 19:26     ` [tip: x86/cpu] x86/cpu: " tip-bot2 for Fenghua Yu
2019-09-16 22:39   ` [PATCH 2/3] drivers/net/b44: Align pwol_mask to unsigned long for better performance Tony Luck
2019-09-16 22:39   ` [PATCH 3/3] x86/split_lock: Align the x86_capability array to size of unsigned long Tony Luck
2019-09-17  8:29     ` David Laight
2019-09-17 19:14       ` Luck, Tony
2019-09-18  8:54         ` David Laight
2019-11-15 19:26     ` [tip: x86/cpu] x86/cpu: " tip-bot2 for Fenghua Yu

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