From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 48/50] KVM: SEV: Provide support for SNP_GUEST_REQUEST NAE event
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:11:30 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <656fae221bf90_45e01294d2@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAH4kHb9O9FeaTmNuNAkhrdrDLJPo8qgD5vNow3w-sY-DA4Ung@mail.gmail.com>
Dionna Amalie Glaze wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 12:06 PM Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ add Ard for the SBOM sysfs ABI commentary ]
> >
> > Dionna Amalie Glaze wrote:
> > [..]
> > > > > My own plan for SEV-SNP was to have a bespoke signed measurement of
> > > > > the UEFI in the GUID table, but that doesn't extend to TDX. If we're
> > > > > looking more at an industry alignment on coRIM for SBOM formats (yes
> > > > > please), then it'd be great to start getting that kind of info plumbed
> > > > > to the user in a uniform way that doesn't have to rely on servers
> > > > > providing the endorsements.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://uefi.org/blog/firmware-sbom-proposal
> > > >
> > > > Honestly my first reaction for this ABI would be for a new file under
> > > > /sys/firmware/efi/efivars or similar.
> > >
> > > For UEFI specifically that could make sense, yes. Not everyone has
> > > been mounting efivars, so it's been a bit of an uphill battle for that
> > > one.
> >
> > I wonder what the concern is with mounting efivarfs vs configfs? In any
> > event this seems distinct enough to be its own /sys/firmware/efi/sbom
> > file. I would defer to Ard, but I think SBOM is a generally useful
> > concept that would be out of place as a blob returned from configfs-tsm.
> >
> > > Still there's the matter of cached TDI RIMs. NVIDIA would have
> >
> > I am not immediatly sure what a "TDI RIM" is?
> >
>
> I might just be making up terms. Any trusted hardware device that has
> its own attestation will (hopefully) have signed reference
> measurements, or a Reference Integrity Manifest as TCG calls them.
Ah, ok.
>
> > > everyone send attestation requests to their servers every quote
> > > request in the NRAS architecture, but we're looking at other ways to
> >
> > "NRAS" does not parse for me either.
> >
>
> That would be this https://docs.attestation.nvidia.com/api-docs/nras.html
Thanks!
> > > provide reliable attestation without a third party service, albeit
> > > with slightly different security properties.
> >
> > Setting the above confusion aside, I would just say that in general yes,
> > the kernel needs to understand its role in an end-to-end attestation
> > architecture that is not beholden to a single vendor, but also allows
> > the kernel to enforce ABI stability / mitigate regressions based on
> > binary format changes.
> >
>
> I'm mainly holding on to hope that I don't have to introduce a new
> runtime dependency on a service that gives a source of truth about the
> software that's running in the VM.
> If we can have a GUID table with a flexible size that the host can
> request of the guest, then we can version ABI changes with new GUID
> entries.
> It's a big enough value space without vanity naming opportunities that
> we can pretty easily make changes without incurring any guest kernel
> changes.
So it's not only SBOM that you are concerned about, but instead want to
have a one stop shop for auxiliary evidence and get the vendors agree on
following the same GUID+blob precedent that is already there for the AMD
cert chain? That sounds reasonable, but I still feel it should be
limited to things that do not fit into an existing ABI namespace.
...unless its evidence / material that only a TVM would ever need.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-12-05 23:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-16 13:27 [PATCH v10 00/50] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) Hypervisor Support Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 01/50] KVM: SVM: INTERCEPT_RDTSCP is never intercepted anyway Michael Roth
2023-10-16 15:12 ` Greg KH
2023-10-16 15:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-10-16 15:21 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 02/50] KVM: SVM: Fix TSC_AUX virtualization setup Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 03/50] KVM: SEV: Do not intercept accesses to MSR_IA32_XSS for SEV-ES guests Michael Roth
2023-12-13 12:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 17:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-12-13 17:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 04/50] x86/cpufeatures: Add SEV-SNP CPU feature Michael Roth
2023-12-13 12:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 13:13 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-13 13:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 13:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-13 13:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 13:49 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-13 14:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 15:41 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-13 17:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 18:53 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 05/50] x86/speculation: Do not enable Automatic IBRS if SEV SNP is enabled Michael Roth
2023-10-25 17:33 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-27 21:50 ` Dave Hansen
2023-12-13 12:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 06/50] x86/sev: Add the host SEV-SNP initialization support Michael Roth
2023-10-25 18:19 ` Tom Lendacky
2023-11-07 16:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-07 18:32 ` Tom Lendacky
2023-11-07 19:13 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-08 8:21 ` Jeremi Piotrowski
2023-11-08 15:19 ` Tom Lendacky
2023-11-07 19:00 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-11-07 19:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-07 20:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-07 21:21 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-11-07 21:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-07 22:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-07 22:33 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-11-08 6:14 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-08 9:11 ` Jeremi Piotrowski
2023-11-08 19:53 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-08 17:09 ` Jeremi Piotrowski
2023-12-08 23:21 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-20 7:07 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 07/50] x86/sev: Add RMP entry lookup helpers Michael Roth
2023-11-14 14:24 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-19 3:31 ` Michael Roth
2024-01-09 22:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 08/50] x86/fault: Add helper for dumping RMP entries Michael Roth
2023-11-15 16:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-19 6:08 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 09/50] x86/traps: Define RMP violation #PF error code Michael Roth
2023-10-16 14:14 ` Dave Hansen
2023-10-16 14:55 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 10/50] x86/fault: Report RMP page faults for kernel addresses Michael Roth
2023-11-21 15:23 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 11/50] x86/sev: Add helper functions for RMPUPDATE and PSMASH instruction Michael Roth
2023-11-21 16:21 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-19 16:20 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 12/50] x86/sev: Invalidate pages from the direct map when adding them to the RMP table Michael Roth
2023-11-24 14:20 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 13/50] crypto: ccp: Define the SEV-SNP commands Michael Roth
2023-11-24 14:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 14/50] crypto: ccp: Add support to initialize the AMD-SP for SEV-SNP Michael Roth
2023-11-27 9:59 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-30 2:13 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-06 17:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-06 20:35 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-09 16:20 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-11 21:11 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-12 6:52 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 15/50] crypto: ccp: Provide API to issue SEV and SNP commands Michael Roth
2023-12-06 20:21 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 16/50] x86/sev: Introduce snp leaked pages list Michael Roth
2023-12-06 20:42 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-08 20:54 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-07 16:20 ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-12-08 22:10 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-11 13:08 ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-12-12 23:26 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 17/50] crypto: ccp: Handle the legacy TMR allocation when SNP is enabled Michael Roth
2023-12-08 13:05 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-19 23:46 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 18/50] crypto: ccp: Handle the legacy SEV command " Michael Roth
2023-12-09 15:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-29 21:38 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 19/50] crypto: ccp: Add the SNP_PLATFORM_STATUS command Michael Roth
2023-12-12 16:45 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 20/50] KVM: SEV: Select CONFIG_KVM_SW_PROTECTED_VM when CONFIG_KVM_AMD_SEV=y Michael Roth
2023-12-13 12:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-29 21:41 ` Michael Roth
2023-12-18 10:13 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-12-29 21:40 ` Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 21/50] KVM: SEV: Add support to handle AP reset MSR protocol Michael Roth
2023-12-12 17:02 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 22/50] KVM: SEV: Add GHCB handling for Hypervisor Feature Support requests Michael Roth
2023-12-18 10:23 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 23/50] KVM: SEV: Make AVIC backing, VMSA and VMCB memory allocation SNP safe Michael Roth
2023-12-11 13:24 ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-12-12 0:00 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-12-13 13:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-13 18:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-12-18 14:57 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 24/50] KVM: SEV: Add initial SEV-SNP support Michael Roth
2023-12-18 17:43 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 25/50] KVM: SEV: Add KVM_SNP_INIT command Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 26/50] KVM: SEV: Add KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_START command Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 27/50] KVM: Add HVA range operator Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 28/50] KVM: SEV: Add KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE command Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 29/50] KVM: SEV: Add KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_FINISH command Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:27 ` [PATCH v10 30/50] KVM: SEV: Add support to handle GHCB GPA register VMGEXIT Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 31/50] KVM: SEV: Add KVM_EXIT_VMGEXIT Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 32/50] KVM: SEV: Add support to handle MSR based Page State Change VMGEXIT Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 33/50] KVM: SEV: Add support to handle " Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 34/50] KVM: x86: Export the kvm_zap_gfn_range() for the SNP use Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 35/50] KVM: SEV: Add support to handle RMP nested page faults Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 36/50] KVM: SEV: Use a VMSA physical address variable for populating VMCB Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 37/50] KVM: SEV: Support SEV-SNP AP Creation NAE event Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 38/50] KVM: SEV: Add support for GHCB-based termination requests Michael Roth
2023-10-19 12:20 ` Liam Merwick
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 39/50] KVM: SEV: Implement gmem hook for initializing private pages Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 40/50] KVM: SEV: Implement gmem hook for invalidating " Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 41/50] KVM: x86: Add gmem hook for determining max NPT mapping level Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 42/50] KVM: SEV: Avoid WBINVD for HVA-based MMU notifications for SNP Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 43/50] KVM: SVM: Add module parameter to enable the SEV-SNP Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 44/50] iommu/amd: Add IOMMU_SNP_SHUTDOWN support Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 45/50] iommu/amd: Report all cases inhibiting SNP enablement Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 46/50] crypto: ccp: Add the SNP_{SET,GET}_EXT_CONFIG command Michael Roth
2023-10-16 23:11 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 47/50] x86/sev: Add KVM commands for per-instance certs Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 48/50] KVM: SEV: Provide support for SNP_GUEST_REQUEST NAE event Michael Roth
2023-10-16 23:18 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-10-17 16:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-18 2:28 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2023-10-18 13:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-18 20:27 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-10-18 20:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-18 21:27 ` Kalra, Ashish
2023-10-18 21:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-19 2:48 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2023-10-19 14:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-19 23:55 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2023-10-20 0:13 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-20 0:43 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2023-10-20 15:13 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-20 18:37 ` Tom Lendacky
2023-11-10 22:07 ` Michael Roth
2023-11-10 22:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-16 5:31 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-12-05 0:30 ` Dan Williams
2023-12-05 0:48 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-12-05 20:06 ` Dan Williams
2023-12-05 22:04 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-12-05 23:11 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2023-12-06 0:43 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 49/50] crypto: ccp: Add debug support for decrypting pages Michael Roth
2023-10-16 13:28 ` [PATCH v10 50/50] crypto: ccp: Add panic notifier for SEV/SNP firmware shutdown on kdump Michael Roth
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