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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:22:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66DCFCDB-1824-4A1F-B54B-F7C662E63A2B@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210105085857.GE3040@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 12:58 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 02:24:38PM -0500, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 01:22:27PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 01:25:28AM -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The scenario that happens in selftests/vm/userfaultfd is as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> cpu0				cpu1			cpu2
>>>> ----				----			----
>>>> 							[ Writable PTE
>>>> 							  cached in TLB ]
>>>> userfaultfd_writeprotect()
>>>> [ write-*unprotect* ]
>>>> mwriteprotect_range()
>>>> mmap_read_lock()
>>>> change_protection()
>>>> 
>>>> change_protection_range()
>>>> ...
>>>> change_pte_range()
>>>> [ *clear* “write”-bit ]
>>>> [ defer TLB flushes ]
>>>> 				[ page-fault ]
>>>> 				...
>>>> 				wp_page_copy()
>>>> 				 cow_user_page()
>>>> 				  [ copy page ]
>>>> 							[ write to old
>>>> 							  page ]
>>>> 				...
>>>> 				 set_pte_at_notify()
>>> 
>>> Yuck!
>> 
>> Note, the above was posted before we figured out the details so it
>> wasn't showing the real deferred tlb flush that caused problems (the
>> one showed on the left causes zero issues).
>> 
>> The problematic one not pictured is the one of the wrprotect that has
>> to be running in another CPU which is also isn't picture above. More
>> accurate traces are posted later in the thread.
> 
> Lets assume CPU0 does a read-lock, W -> RO with deferred flush.

This is the second scenario that is mentioned in the patch. (The first one
is relatively easy to address by not clearing the write-bit).

>>> Isn't this all rather similar to the problem that resulted in the
>>> tlb_flush_pending mess?
>>> 
>>> I still think that's all fundamentally buggered, the much saner solution
>>> (IMO) would've been to make things wait for the pending flush, instead
>> 
>> How do intend you wait in PT lock while the writer also has to take PT
>> lock repeatedly before it can do wake_up_var?
>> 
>> If you release the PT lock before calling wait_tlb_flush_pending it
>> all falls apart again.
> 
> I suppose you can check for pending, if found, release lock, wait for 0,
> and re-take the fault?

My personal take on this issue (which for full disclosure I think Andrea
disagrees with) is that it the most important enhancement is to reduce the
number of cases which we mistakenly think that we must wait for pending TLB
flush. It will not be free though.

As to the enhancement that you propose: although it seems as a valid
enhancement to me, I think that it is more robust to make forward progress
when possible (as done today). This is especially important if the proposed
enhancement cannot be checked by lockdep.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-05  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-25  9:25 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] mm: fix races due to deferred TLB flushes Nadav Amit
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-04 19:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 19:35       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 20:19         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 20:39           ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 21:01             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 21:26               ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 18:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:05                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 20:06                       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 21:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:43                           ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05  8:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:52         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  9:22         ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2021-01-05 17:58         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 18:41       ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:55         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:07     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:43       ` Peter Xu
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Will Deacon
2021-01-05 18:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:26     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 20:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:20         ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-05 21:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 22:16           ` Will Deacon
2021-01-06  0:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-06  0:02           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04           ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: proc: Invalidate TLB after clearing soft-dirty page state Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:53                     ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:00                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:14                         ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:37                               ` John Hubbard
2021-01-15 11:27                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 22:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:48                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08  0:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 12:48                               ` Will Deacon
2021-01-08 16:14                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 17:53                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 19:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-09  0:12                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:28                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:36               ` kernel test robot
2021-01-07 20:25             ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-07 20:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:02                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-09 19:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-15 14:30                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 21:54                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:45               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 13:36                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 17:00                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 18:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 18:31                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-08 18:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 23:34                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:03                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-09 19:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 18:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 22:43                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09  0:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-09  2:50                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-11 14:30                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-13 21:56                           ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-13 23:39                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-14  2:35                               ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                     ` <20210109034958.6928-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2021-01-11 14:39                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-05 21:55         ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Peter Xu
2021-03-02 22:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] mm: fix races due to deferred TLB flushes Peter Xu
2021-03-02 22:14   ` Nadav Amit

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