From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
Aristeu Rozanski <aris@ruivo.org>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Controlling devices and device namespaces
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 05:17:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d31mupp3.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sjaiuqp5.fsf@xmission.com> (Eric W. Biederman's message of "Sun, 16 Sep 2012 04:56:06 -0700")
ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) writes:
> Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:
>
>>> One piece of the puzzle is that we should be able to allow unprivileged
>>> device node creation and access for any device on any filesystem
>>> for which it unprivileged access is safe.
>>
>> Which devices are "safe" is policy for all interesting and useful cases,
>> as are file permissions, security tags, chroot considerations and the
>> like.
>>
>> It's a complete non starter.
Come to think of it mknod is completely unnecessary.
Without mknod. Without being able to mount filesystems containing
device nodes. The mount namespace is sufficient to prevent all of the
cases that the device control group prevents (open and mknod on device
nodes).
So I honestly think the device control group is superflous, and it is
probably wise to deprecate it and move to a model where it does not
exist.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-16 12:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-13 20:58 [RFC] cgroup TODOs Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 9:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-09-14 17:17 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 9:10 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-14 13:58 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 19:29 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 21:51 ` Kay Sievers
[not found] ` <5052E7DF.7040000@parallels.com>
2012-09-14 9:12 ` Li Zefan
2012-09-14 11:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 17:59 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 18:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 18:33 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 17:43 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-17 8:50 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-17 17:21 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 11:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 12:54 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-14 17:53 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 14:25 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 15:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 21:57 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-17 15:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-18 18:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 21:39 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-17 15:05 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-17 16:40 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 15:03 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 14:02 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 14:03 ` [PATCH 2.6.32] memcg: warn on deeper hierarchies with use_hierarchy==0 Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 19:38 ` David Rientjes
2012-09-20 13:24 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-20 22:33 ` David Rientjes
2012-09-21 7:16 ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 14:03 ` [PATCH 3.0] " Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 14:05 ` [PATCH 3.2+] " Michal Hocko
2012-09-14 18:07 ` [RFC] cgroup TODOs Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 18:53 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 19:28 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 19:44 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 19:49 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 20:39 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-17 8:40 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-17 17:30 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-17 14:37 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 18:36 ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-09-14 18:54 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-15 2:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-09-15 9:27 ` Controlling devices and device namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-15 22:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-09-16 0:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16 3:31 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-09-16 11:21 ` Alan Cox
2012-09-16 11:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16 12:17 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2012-09-16 13:32 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-09-16 14:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16 16:13 ` Alan Cox
2012-09-16 17:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16 16:15 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-09-16 16:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16 8:19 ` [RFC] cgroup TODOs James Bottomley
2012-09-16 14:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-17 13:21 ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-09-14 22:03 ` Dhaval Giani
2012-09-14 22:06 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-20 1:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-09-20 18:26 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-20 18:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-09-21 21:40 ` Tejun Heo
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