From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: printk meeting at LPC
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 09:33:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lfumnjo2.fsf@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190918023654.GB15380@jagdpanzerIV> (Sergey Senozhatsky's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2019 11:36:54 +0900")
On 2019-09-18, Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 2. A kernel thread will be created for each registered console,
>>>> each responsible for being the sole printers to their respective
>>>> consoles. With this, console printing is _fully_ decoupled from
>>>> printk() callers.
>>>
>>> sysrq over serial?
>>>
>>> offloading this to kthread may be unreliable.
>>
>> But we also talked about an "emergency flush" which will not wait for
>> the kthreads to finish and just output everything it can find in the
>> printk buffers (expecting that the consoles have an "emergency"
>> handler. We can add a sysrq to do an emergency flush.
The problem with only a flush here is that the sysrq output may not fit
in the ringbuffer (ftrace, for example). It probably makes more sense to
have a switch to enter/exit "synchronous state", where all atomic
consoles are flushed upon enter and all future printk's are synchronous
on atomic consoles until exit.
I expect sysrq to be the only valid use of "synchronous state" other
than oops/panic. Although I suppose PeterZ would like a boot argument to
always run the consoles in this state.
> I agree that when consoles have ->atomic_write then it surely makes
> sense to switch to emergency mode. I like the emergency state
> approach, but I'm not sure how it can be completely invisible to the
> rest of the system. Quoting John:
>
> : Unlike oops_in_progress, this state will not be visible to
> : anything outside of the printk infrastructure.
>
> For instance, tty/sysrq must be able to switch printk emergency
> on/off.
The switch/flush _will_ be visible. But not the state. So, for example,
it won't be possible for some random driver to determine if we are in an
emergency state. (Well, I don't know if oops_in_progress will really
disappear. But at least the printk/console stuff will no longer rely on
it.)
> We also figured out that some PM (hibernation/suspend/etc.) stages
> (very early and/or very late ones) [2] also should have printk in
> emergency mode, plus some other parts of the kernel [3].
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20170815025625.1977-4-sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20170815025625.1977-7-sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com/
> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20170815025625.1977-8-sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com/
Thanks for bringing up that RFC thread again. I haven't looked at it in
over a year. I will go through it again to see if there is anything I've
overlooked. Particularly the suspend stuff.
John Ogness
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-09-18 7:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-07 22:26 [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] printk-rb: add a new printk " John Ogness
2019-08-20 8:15 ` numlist_pop(): " Petr Mladek
2019-08-21 5:41 ` John Ogness
2019-09-04 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 8:22 ` assign_desc() barriers: " Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 14:14 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-21 5:52 ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 11:53 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-25 2:06 ` John Ogness
2019-08-26 8:21 ` John Ogness
2019-08-20 8:55 ` comments style: " Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 9:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21 5:46 ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 13:50 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-22 17:38 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-23 10:47 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-23 14:27 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-23 9:49 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-23 5:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-23 10:29 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-21 5:42 ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 12:44 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 13:50 ` dataring_push() barriers " Petr Mladek
2019-08-25 2:42 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 14:36 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 13:43 ` John Ogness
2019-08-20 15:12 ` datablock reuse races " Petr Mladek
2019-08-23 9:21 ` numlist_push() barriers " Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 8:34 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 8:43 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 14:10 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 16:01 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 22:36 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 7:40 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-27 14:28 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 15:07 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 10:24 ` John Ogness
2019-08-23 17:18 ` numlist API " Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 23:57 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 13:03 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 7:13 ` John Ogness
2019-08-28 8:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 14:03 ` John Ogness
2019-08-29 11:28 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-03 7:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-30 14:48 ` dataring " Petr Mladek
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/9] printk-rb: add test module John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/9] printk-rb: fix missing includes/exports John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/9] printk-rb: initialize new descriptors as invalid John Ogness
2019-08-20 9:23 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 10:16 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21 5:56 ` John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/9] printk-rb: remove extra data buffer size allocation John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] printk-rb: adjust test module ringbuffer sizes John Ogness
2019-08-19 21:29 ` [PATCH] printk-rb: fix test module macro usage John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 7/9] printk-rb: increase size of seq and size variables John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 8/9] printk-rb: new functionality to support printk John Ogness
2019-08-20 9:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21 5:47 ` John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 9/9] printk: use a new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-08-08 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-08 22:55 ` John Ogness
2019-08-08 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-08 23:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-09 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 0:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-09 1:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 11:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-09 16:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 20:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-09 20:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 6:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-09 7:08 ` John Ogness
2019-08-09 15:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-10 5:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-10 3:19 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-12 9:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-08-16 5:46 ` Dave Young
2019-08-16 5:54 ` Dave Young
2019-08-16 9:40 ` John Ogness
2019-09-04 12:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: " Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 13:05 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-05 14:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 15:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-05 16:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-05 21:10 ` John Ogness
2019-09-06 9:39 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-09 14:11 ` printk meeting at LPC Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-13 13:26 ` John Ogness
2019-09-13 14:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-15 13:47 ` John Ogness
2019-09-16 8:44 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-16 4:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-09-16 10:46 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-16 13:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-16 14:28 ` John Ogness
2019-09-17 8:11 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-17 7:52 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-17 13:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-17 13:12 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-09-17 13:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-17 14:08 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-09-17 7:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 1:25 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 2:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-18 2:36 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 5:19 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 7:42 ` John Ogness
2019-09-18 8:10 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 9:05 ` John Ogness
2019-09-18 9:11 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 16:41 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-18 16:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-24 14:24 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-19 8:06 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-18 7:33 ` John Ogness [this message]
2019-09-18 8:08 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-10-04 14:48 ` Tony Asleson
2019-10-07 12:01 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-06 9:06 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: new ringbuffer implementation Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 10:09 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 10:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 13:44 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 12:42 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-06 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 19:53 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 22:47 ` John Ogness
2019-09-08 22:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-10 3:22 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
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