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From: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexey Gladkov <gladkov.alexey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:21:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM6PR03MB517015F585466ED40113FDEEE4C00@AM6PR03MB5170.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v9maxb5q.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On 4/8/20 5:14 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:20 PM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But fundamentally the only reason we need this information stable
>>> before the point of no return is so that we can return a nice error
>>> code to the process calling exec.  Instead of terminating the
>>> process with SIGSEGV.
>>
>> I'd suggest doing it the other way around instead: let the thread that
>> does the security_setprocattr() die, since execve() is terminating
>> other threads anyway.
>>
>> And the easy way to do that is to just make the rule be that anybody
>> who waits for this thing for write needs to use a killable wait.
>>
>> So if the execve() got started earlier, and already took the cred lock
>> (whatever we'll call it) for reading, then zap_other_threads() will
>> take care of another thread doing setprocattr().
>>
>> That sounds like a really simple model, no?
> 
> Yes.  I missed the fact that we could take the lock killable.
> We still unfortunately have the deadlock with ptrace.
> 
> It might be simpler to make whichever lock we are dealing with per
> task_struct instead of per signal_struct.  Then we don't even have to
> think about what de_thread does or if the lock is taken killable.
> 

I think you said that already, but I did not understand the difference,
could you please give some more details about your idea?


Thanks
Bernd.

> 
> Looking at the code in binfmt_elf.c there are about 11 other places
> after install_exec_creds where we can fail and would be forced to
> terminate the application with SIGSEGV instead of causing fork to fail.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I keep wondering if we could do something similar to vfork.  That is
> allocate an new task_struct and fully set it up for the post exec
> process, and then make it visible under tasklist_lock.  Finally we could
> free the old process.
> 
> That would appear as if everything happened atomically from
> the point of view of the rest of the kernel.
> 
> As well as fixing all of the deadlocks and making it easy
> to ensure we don't have any more weird failures in the future.
> 
> Eric
> 
> p.s. For tasklist_lock I suspect we can put a lock in struct pid
> and use that to guard the task lists in struct pid.  Which would
> allow for tasklist_lock to be take much less.  Then we would
> just need a solution for task->parent and task->real_parent and
> I think all of the major users of tasklist_lock would be gone.
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-08 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87blobnq02.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2020-04-02 19:04 ` [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 19:31   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 19:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 20:59       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 21:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:01           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-02 23:42             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:45               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-02 23:49                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03  0:05               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07  1:29               ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] exec_update_mutex related cleanups Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07  1:31                 ` [PATCH 1/3] binfmt: Move install_exec_creds after setup_new_exec to match binfmt_elf Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 15:58                   ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:11                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-08 17:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-08 19:51                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07  1:31                 ` [PATCH 2/3] exec: Make unlocking exec_update_mutex explict Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 16:02                   ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:17                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-07 16:21                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07  1:32                 ` [PATCH 3/3] exec: Rename the flag called_exec_mmap point_of_no_return Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 16:03                   ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:21                   ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-07 16:22                 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] exec_update_mutex related cleanups Christian Brauner
2020-04-08 17:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03  5:09             ` [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1 Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 19:26             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 20:41               ` Waiman Long
2020-04-03 20:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 23:16                   ` Waiman Long
2020-04-03 23:23                     ` Waiman Long
2020-04-04  1:30                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-04  2:02                         ` Waiman Long
2020-04-04  2:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-04  6:34                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05  6:34                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 19:35                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-05  2:42                             ` Waiman Long
2020-04-05  3:35                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05  3:45                                 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-06 13:13                             ` Will Deacon
2020-04-04  4:23                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-06 22:17               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 19:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-07 20:29                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-07 20:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-08 15:14                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-08 15:21                     ` Bernd Edlinger [this message]
2020-04-08 16:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 14:58                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 15:15                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 16:15                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 16:24                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 17:03                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 17:17                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 17:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 17:46                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 18:36                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 19:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 19:57                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 20:04                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 20:36                                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 21:00                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 21:17                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 23:52                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-10  0:30                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-10  0:32                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11  4:07                                                     ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-11 18:20                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-11 18:29                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 18:31                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 19:15                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-11 20:07                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 21:16                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
     [not found]                                                             ` <CAHk-=wgWHkBzFazWJj57emHPd3Dg9SZHaZqoO7-AD+UbBTJgig@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-11 21:57                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-12  6:01                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-12 19:50                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-12 20:14                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28  2:56                                                           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-28 17:07                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 19:08                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-28 20:35                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 21:06                                                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-04-28 21:36                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 21:53                                                                       ` Jann Horn
2020-04-28 22:14                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 23:36                                                                           ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 17:58                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 18:33                                                                               ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 18:57                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 19:23                                                                               ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-29 19:26                                                                                 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 20:19                                                                                   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-29 21:06                                                                                     ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 22:38                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 23:22                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 23:59                                                                                     ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30  1:08                                                                                       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30  2:20                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30  3:00                                                                                           ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30  3:25                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30  3:41                                                                                               ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30  3:50                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 13:37                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30  2:16                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 13:39                                                                                         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 13:47                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 14:29                                                                                             ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 16:40                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-02  4:11                                                                                                 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 17:36                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 20:34                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 20:56                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:02           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:22           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03  7:38           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 16:00       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 15:09   ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 16:23     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 16:36       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-04  5:43       ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-04  5:48         ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-06  6:41           ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-10 13:03 ` [GIT PULL] proc fix " Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-10 20:40   ` pr-tracker-bot

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