From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexey Gladkov <gladkov.alexey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 12:35:53 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgbxavbe82MTKYn8_qasqw-9kC346Azo0bGy062w0bWGg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR03MB5170135E51DBF9093346E1DDE4C50@AM6PR03MB5170.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:34 PM Bernd Edlinger
<bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de> wrote:
>
> What really makes it impossible to write a multi-threaded strace program,
> is that *only* the tread that made PTRACE_ATTACH can do all the other
> PTRACE-APIs, but for a multi-treaded strace, any thread should be able
> to call PTRACE-APIs as long as we are in the same process.
I agree that the ptrace model is broken, and no, you can't do a
threaded ptrace the way things are now.
Some of that is really fundamental to how we do things (ie the ptracer
is the parent), and our data structures really make that be
per-thread.
I'm not sure how easy it would be to fix. Some of it is probably
really painful. For example, right now we know we can't race between
different pthread operations, because only the thread that did
PTRACE_ATTACH is allowed to do most of them.
So it could be very painful indeed to try to fix it so that you can do
threaded tracing. It woudl probably be a good thing to have, but it
might not be worth the pain.
Some daring person could try...
Linus
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2020-04-02 19:04 ` [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 19:31 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 20:59 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 21:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-02 23:42 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-02 23:49 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 0:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:29 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] exec_update_mutex related cleanups Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:31 ` [PATCH 1/3] binfmt: Move install_exec_creds after setup_new_exec to match binfmt_elf Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 15:58 ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:11 ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-08 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-08 19:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] exec: Make unlocking exec_update_mutex explict Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 16:02 ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:17 ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-07 16:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:32 ` [PATCH 3/3] exec: Rename the flag called_exec_mmap point_of_no_return Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 16:03 ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:21 ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-07 16:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] exec_update_mutex related cleanups Christian Brauner
2020-04-08 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 5:09 ` [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1 Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 20:41 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-03 20:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 23:16 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-03 23:23 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-04 1:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-04 2:02 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-04 2:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-04 6:34 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 6:34 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-04-05 2:42 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-05 3:35 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 3:45 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-06 13:13 ` Will Deacon
2020-04-04 4:23 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-06 22:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-07 20:29 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-07 20:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-08 15:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-08 15:21 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-08 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 14:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 15:15 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 16:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 16:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 17:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 17:17 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 17:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 17:46 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 18:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 19:57 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 20:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 20:36 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 21:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 21:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 23:52 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-10 0:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-10 0:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 4:07 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-11 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-11 18:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 18:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 19:15 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-11 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 21:16 ` Bernd Edlinger
[not found] ` <CAHk-=wgWHkBzFazWJj57emHPd3Dg9SZHaZqoO7-AD+UbBTJgig@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-11 21:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-12 6:01 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-12 19:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-12 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 2:56 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-28 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 19:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-28 20:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 21:06 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-28 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 21:53 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-28 22:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 23:36 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 18:33 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 19:23 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-29 19:26 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 20:19 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-29 21:06 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 23:59 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30 1:08 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 2:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 3:00 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30 3:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 3:41 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30 3:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 13:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 2:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 13:39 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 13:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 14:29 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-02 4:11 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 20:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:02 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:22 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 7:38 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 16:00 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 15:09 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 16:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 16:36 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-04 5:43 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-04 5:48 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-06 6:41 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-10 13:03 ` [GIT PULL] proc fix " Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-10 20:40 ` pr-tracker-bot
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