From: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexey Gladkov <gladkov.alexey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:08:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM6PR03MB5170C5D02C6FCB6D69DFE3ADE4AA0@AM6PR03MB5170.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez0FL3i4eGFYryOwG2nnS+JigfKYAVSV9ogVHjmjOWzsrA@mail.gmail.com>
On 4/30/20 1:59 AM, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:22 AM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:38 PM Linus Torvalds
>> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you do it properly, with a helper function instead of repeating
>>> that fragile nasty thing, maybe it will look better to me.
I added the BIG FAT WARNNIG comments as a mitigation for that.
Did you like those comments?
>>
>> Side note: if it has a special helper function for the "get lock,
>> repeat if it was invalid", you can do a better job than return
>> -EAGAIN.
>>
>> In particular, you can do this
>>
>> set_thread_flag(TIF_SIGPENDING);
>> return -RESTARTNOINTR;
>>
>> which will actually restart the system call. So a ptrace() user (or
>> somebody doing a "write()" to /proc/<pid>/attr/xyz, wouldn't even see
>> the impossible EAGAIN error.
>
> Wouldn't you end up livelocked in the scenario that currently deadlocks? Like:
>
> - tracer attaches to thread A
> - thread B goes into execve, blocks on waiting for A's death
> - tracer tries to attach to B and hits the -EAGAIN
>
> If we make the PTRACE_ATTACH call restart, the tracer will just end up
> looping without ever resolving the deadlock. If we want to get through
> this cleanly with this approach, userspace needs to either
> deprioritize the "I want to attach to pid X" and go back into its
> eventloop, or to just treat -EAGAIN as a fatal error and give up
> trying to attach to that task.
>
Yes, exactly, the point is the caller is expected to call wait in that
scenario, otherwise the -EAGAIN just repeats forever, that is an API
change, yes, but something unavoidable, and the patch tries hard to
limit it to cases where the live-lock or pseudo-dead-lock is unavoidable
anyway.
Bernd.
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2020-04-02 19:04 ` [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 19:31 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 20:59 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 21:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-02 23:42 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-02 23:49 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 0:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:29 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] exec_update_mutex related cleanups Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:31 ` [PATCH 1/3] binfmt: Move install_exec_creds after setup_new_exec to match binfmt_elf Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 15:58 ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:11 ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-08 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-08 19:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] exec: Make unlocking exec_update_mutex explict Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 16:02 ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:17 ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-07 16:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 1:32 ` [PATCH 3/3] exec: Rename the flag called_exec_mmap point_of_no_return Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 16:03 ` Kees Cook
2020-04-07 16:21 ` Christian Brauner
2020-04-07 16:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] exec_update_mutex related cleanups Christian Brauner
2020-04-08 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 5:09 ` [GIT PULL] Please pull proc and exec work for 5.7-rc1 Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 20:41 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-03 20:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 23:16 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-03 23:23 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-04 1:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-04 2:02 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-04 2:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-04 6:34 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 6:34 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-05 2:42 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-05 3:35 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-05 3:45 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-06 13:13 ` Will Deacon
2020-04-04 4:23 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-06 22:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-07 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-07 20:29 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-07 20:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-08 15:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-08 15:21 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-08 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 14:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 15:15 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 16:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 16:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 17:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 17:17 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 17:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 17:46 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 18:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 19:57 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 20:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 20:36 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 21:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 21:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 23:52 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-10 0:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-10 0:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 4:07 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-11 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-11 18:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 18:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 19:15 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-11 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-11 21:16 ` Bernd Edlinger
[not found] ` <CAHk-=wgWHkBzFazWJj57emHPd3Dg9SZHaZqoO7-AD+UbBTJgig@mail.gmail.com>
2020-04-11 21:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-12 6:01 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-12 19:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-12 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 2:56 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-28 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 19:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-04-28 20:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 21:06 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-28 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 21:53 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-28 22:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-28 23:36 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 18:33 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 19:23 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-29 19:26 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 20:19 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-29 21:06 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-29 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-29 23:59 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30 1:08 ` Bernd Edlinger [this message]
2020-04-30 2:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 3:00 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30 3:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 3:41 ` Jann Horn
2020-04-30 3:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 13:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 2:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 13:39 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 13:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-30 14:29 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-30 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-02 4:11 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-09 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-09 20:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-09 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-02 23:02 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-02 23:22 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 7:38 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 16:00 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 15:09 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-03 16:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-03 16:36 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-04 5:43 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-04 5:48 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-06 6:41 ` Bernd Edlinger
2020-04-10 13:03 ` [GIT PULL] proc fix " Eric W. Biederman
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